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Vote count:

Ollie (3): Acionyx (#486), Miner (#559), Newcomb (#562)
Acionyx (1): Ollie (#490)
Cobalt (1): Citrus (#540)

Abstaining: too many people

Yo. Wagons, voting, do the thing. Why are people not voting ever :/

Finishing up D1 re-read:

Why, though? At that point in the thread I kept badgering you about Sloth and got you to re-read him and you post a few posts later saying you got "literally nothing" out of ISO'ing him. So even before that, you had less on him. But this sounds like you'd have voted for him easily and/or he was your top suspect. Since when do you just go along with lynches other people are pushing even if you have no read on them yourself?

So this is as the fonti/Citrus fight is heating up. In WH13 when fonti was mafia, fonti literally reacted to Citrus going "interesting" as like "nevermind let's kill him." That kind of blustery "I'm aggressively town" way that fonti sometimes comes off as scum. This is just... not that. It reads like a genuine attempt to get inside Citrus's head.

Yeeeeeah I kinda think they're just v/v.

What's more useful though is that I think they're always, always unaligned here.

I don't see Von, frankly, having this poor of a game if the team's fonti/Snow/Citrus, I think fonti in particular would have kept him interested. And what's more, this fight was just... not faked. It's too organic and the parabola of intensity - probing, then poking, then stabbing then backing off - is just.. yeah I really can't see that being fake.

So I'd absolutely hard-clear the other if one of them flipped mafia. And if I had to bet the game on it, I'd say they're just v/v.

Can you talk about this now, or nah?

I feel like I'm confirmation biasing a little here, but that's exactly the kind of lowkey reason scum!Von would use to jump off a vote on a partner.

Although, it is a bit WIFOM-y, since this post was basically a scumclaim if you know Von's meta. Hum.

Yeah Von/Sloth/Kai kinda just /fits/? Like. It would explain why all three were lurking it out; since no one was stepping forward it kinda snowballed and their apathy fed off each other. All of them kinda RL busy, townblock of me/Acio/fonti starting to roll.

Trying to posit town!Sloth worlds means we've reeeeeeeeally made a major mistake somewhere. I /think/ town!Sloth heavily implies scum!fonti, though that redcheck reaction from Sloth if he's town, holy shit that would be



level.

Again, a little WIFOM-y since Von I think absolutely knew he was dead at this point (maybe? this post actually seems a little "i'm trying" but.)... but like -

I don't think scum!Von ever talks about the Citrus/fonti fight that way if one of them is his partner? Ehhh that might be thin. Could just be laziness on his part and genuinely not wanting to step in it.

Hmm that thing about Titus might also explain the NK; preeeeeetty sure I'd have hard-cleared Titus for that after Von flipped? That plus the way he tried to keep the Acio/Titus thing going, yeah. Could see it.

Reeeeeeeeeally reads like someone being too certain in a chain of reasoning.

Basically Sloth never really wavered in his townread on me, when if I put myself in Sloth's shoes with the assumption that I'm town, it should have.

I'm no stranger to getting hardcore townread, but for someone's very first game with me and I come out 0-100 real quick swinging at them and don't back off, to the point of leading a wagon against them, there should really be some nuance in that read of me beyond "I frequently get scumread by town who haven't played with me before, therefore you're town."

Sloth's interactions read way more to me like someone who's trying not to poke the bear even as the bear is eating their face, if that makes sense.

Also from Sloth's catching/ISO posts, spoilered since it's long:

Spoiler

Think that pretty much spews both Acio and Miner clear if Sloth flips mafia. Not that that would be a galloping shock on any of them, but.

Yeeeeeeeeeah, town. idk, I'd hate to fall for a fake dumbtell, but it's pretty hard to see demon posting all the un-self aware stuff he's posted as mafia.

Huuuuuuh.

These might actually be the strongest evidence I've found of town!Sloth.

This isn't something I'd expect from someone who knows Snow is about to flip mafia. Acionyx fontisian opinions on that post?

Will re-read D2 in a little bit.

Is anyone reading these btw? I could just do it and not write anything down if that's the case; would save me some typing.

 

I am reading them and finding them extremely helpful for getting to know your thoughts.

I'll catch up tonight and offer insights then.

 

D2 re-read.

fontisian ping; don't think you ever answered this.

People who have played with Cobalt, what do you make of his tone here? I think I'm interested mostly in fontisian and Citrus chiming in here but anyone can.

Think that back-and-forth means Citrus/Cobalt hard unaligned though.

I'm kind of kicking myself for even getting a small glimmer of hope that you'll answer this, but can you back up these reads without just regurgitating thread consensus?

Do you have a read on fonti and Acio? Again, without just going thread consensus if possible.

Talk about the Snowvon interactions when you catch up, please.

Yes, replacements just take over that slot, so they are the same role/alignment as the people they replaced.

What if I told you that fonti is definitely not the cop?

Who do you want to lynch now?

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Okay I'm done re-reading.

If anyone wants to engage about anything, I'm... generally around, though probably not tonight that much.

 

Yeah I get that off feel kind of too, at least on the second one. The first one is easily just discussion filler that's coincidentally townish

For the second though hrm. Notable context things at day end: I was openly scumreading demon for being really sure on sloth; would that have made jumping harder at von something he'd think twice about?

Other thing is that his original scumread on von was for "interfering" with me/titus when he wasn't at all


I think like, they'd make him flipping town not totally surprising but they don't make me not want to still lynch him

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Specifically his original case was kind of disproven and he outright said at the time he didn't have time to hit the thread really hard so self-consciousness preventing him getting too bandwagony is a thing I can believe in

 

Well if fonti is not the cop, then it's strange that she'd vouch for Titus on d1 and also claim cop on d2 to lynch Sloth/Oliver. I would probably still wind up lynching Oliver, but if he flips blue then fonti's next on the lynch list.

 

Do you think the way fonti vouched for Titus D1 is substantially different than the way I vouched for Acio D1?

Do you think the way fonti played the beginning of D2 makes sense from the perspective of Sloth being town and fonti being mafia?

 

Newcomb

Yes, I'm townreading Fonti and Acio. Fonti because if she isn't the cop that's ballsy as hell. Acio because logical thought processes indicate a town perspective or he's projecting really really well.

It's possible I'm being duped there but I want to look elsewhere for scum.

 

Of all the people in this game, you don't think fonti's scumplay could be categorized as "ballsy as hell"?

Were you or were you not in the game where she hard-bussed a partner D1, then shot the town!DoB who had said in the thread that they were 100% targeting her?

I'm talking about the DLP game, not the FS game, but the mere fact that I have to say which game I was talking about where fonti did those things is kinda telling, no?

 

I think copclaiming as scum is stupid. Especially because if you're just pushing the lynch on a townie on day 2 for no reason you're just gonna out yourself and raise suspicion.

If she were mafia here then Sloth is her partner and she's trying to coast to endgame off his lynch, but that's basically tinfoil for me imo.

Also I think Fonti + Von as a team would have done better D1 than that trainwreck.

 

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I'm around now Newcomb. Got anything you want to ask me (or you probably did and I skimmed over it)

 

Uhhhh read those 4 or 5 re-read posts I did. What do you like, think of them, and stuff? Also I probably did ask you questions.

Basically I can't do anything else until other people Do Things.

 

If Citrus is done being salty he can address my numerical reasoning why bouncing this lynch today is a Bad Idea (TM)

 

1) Yes. She specifically mentioned that she tr Titus, but would not give a reason and just said, "Ask me tomorrow." That was different from your vouch for Acio cuz you gave reasoning.

2) Not particularly. There's no reason to gambit to lynch Sloth, he was prolly gonna get lynched without it. I would've been on that bw at the very least.

 

well.

no.

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Sorry guys, I'll need to catch up tomorrow morning.

Got unexpectedly busy tonight.

 

Hey Oliver Kingston I don't mean to alarm you but if you want to not die you have like 20 hours to town your fucking ass off.

 

No he's dying here. But if for some ungodly reason this whole world flips on its head and Fonti was lying then we can use his reads afterward if he wants to come in and participate.

 

Cobalt, I'm /not the cop/.

 

Cobalt is scum, right?

Like, he's been told so many times that fonti isn't the cop but he's still sticking to it, because he knows fonti is town and sloth is scum, so why wouldn't she be the cop in this spot.