It's ok, I don't expect you to acknowledge the point I was making.

 

It's ok, I don't expect you to sufficiently make your point when BARELY posting more than one sentence in any of your posts in the last three phases.

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Kai been trying to framejob me ever since I claimed in the first place. Given that he was next in the PoE lynch list I have no doubt he'll at least try to get me lynched toDay. Hoe I ain't scared.

What Newcomb says about scum JOAT makes sense and actually fits in the balance if town has that many PRs. Especially if one of the shots is a mason shot and it's actually Acio.

But this is still all wine. Go ahead and metagame me based on the setup but I've yet to see you bring up an ACTUAL reason to lynch me outside of claims and roles.

 

Ignore the setup for the moment.

Pretend this is a 100% vanilla game.

Why do you want to lynch Cobalt?

Are you saying he's played a brilliant scumgame behaviorally, but then claimed an important PR and expected to never be lynched when he never died in the night and live through F3?

Surely if Cobalt is mafia you can point to the lack of town perspective / behavioral scum things in his posts.

 

http://www.fantasystrike.com/forums/index.php?threads/witchhunt-game-10-1.9882/

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Actually this one is more recent but I was initially town and replaced back in to a scum slot

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=683

 

Pretending it's a 100% vanilla game is a pointless mental masturbation exercise.

We're in the game that we're in, and there's no way that town has a multishot doc that can self target, 2 shot tracker and vig.

Also note how convenient it is for cobalt that he just happens to be going for wine when fontisian is shot.

bzzt. liar detected.

(on day 2)

(early day 3)

(later in day 3)

 

All I got from that is "no, Newcomb, I can't point to the behaviorally Not Town things Cobalt has done."

 

He struggling fo real.

 

You're not helping and right now I want to kill you both kinda.

The fucking thing is it's not like Kai doesn't have a fucking point.

You being a 3-shot Doc who can self-target and targeted yourself last night is ludicrous.

wtf scum role even makes sense for Kai to have? Goon/Goon/Doublevoting Unlynchable 3 shot Vig?

 

Shhhh. Stop talking about my stocks.

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And whether or not I do/don't have any.

I'm trying to counter-wine.

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Like, yes, he has a point, but I feel like now that you brought up the scum JOAT it makes a lot of sense there. But setup metagaming has gotten us nowhere so far and is still going to get us nowhere. Find scum and lynch it

 

Cobalt unless I'm missing something obvious, there's no wine to be had here. It literally doesn't matter if you get any saves from here on out, if you're real.

If we lynch correctly, the game is over and we win.

If we miss, then scum get a NK. If you get a save, we're at F4 in MYLO. If you don't get a save, we're at F3 in LYLO. Whoop-de-fucking-do. No matter which way you slice it, we get two kills to win this.

Unless I'm totally missing something you should just claim your full role and every night action you've made.

 

Are you letting yourself get talked out of this newcomb?

btw we were going to lynch cobalt on d3 when he was just claimed vanilla or whatever, so it's not like this idea of lynching him has come outta thin air.

 

No we weren't.

Kai, if you're actually town, can you just give a shit for a second and help me actually read you by making a case on someone that isn't something 100% easily fakeable as either alignment because it's just 100% logic based mechanics and shit?

Like, go look at Cobalt's posts and show me where he already had the answers. Go look at Snowvon and Sloth and show me the w/w interactions.

It's not a masturbatory exercise to pretend this is vanilla, it's literally the only thing I can think of doing to get you to do something alignment indicative.

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Because KaiDASH I'm telling you straight up, if you're town, no amount of "I didn't no kill N2, come on what kind of scum do you think I am" is going to make me not kill you. If you're town, look at it from our PoV, surely you must see this. You are so behaviorally mafia I want to cry. fonti's track has been the only thing holding me back since D3 from punting you into the stratosphere and unless you actually do something readable, I'm going to do it even if I literally think you're more likely town than not because I can't stand the ~15% chance I'll lose to scum!you here. I'd rather just fucking lose to Acio or Proph or Cobalt, at least they're playing the game.

 

Cobalt: Answer this question for me:

Can you self protect as the doctor?

 

No lol.

Scum can have some cheese with that wine.

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Fine, in the spirit of openness.

I can't self-protect. I had two stocks. Used 'em on Fonti N2 and N3 because I was basically ghosting this game on D/N1 because irl reasons.

The whole "I got out-wined" thing at the beginning of this phase was to hopefully continue that wine into not getting killed this night phase.

 

Come on, this is a Mini. The idea that you're 3+ shot / can self-target was absurd and just made you sound super scummy.

Also why do you even think there will be another night phase, and/or why do you think you dying toNight would be a bad thing, at all?

Like, let's say we mislynch Kai. You die in the night, F3 of me/Acio/Proph. That sounds shitty, but is it shitter than me dying in the night and it being a F3 of you/Acio/Prohp?

 

Cobalt, like me, basically didn't play D1 so his mentions by sloth / snowvon mostly boil down to "cobalt isn't here".

The only slightly interesting thing is Sloth claims to be going through the playerlist 'from least to most posts', mentions me but not cobalt (or even mentioning anyone else with minimal posts at that time, just me). It's a kinda long, sprawling post so here's a link.

Also things that town don't say volume one:

On day 2, Sloth didn't really mention people and then replaced out, and ollie didn't play.

I don't think your dismissal of this comment of mine was reasonable:

He was ignoring fonti unclaiming cop because he had the additional knowledge that fonti was telling the truth. He knew that Sloth was scum and fonti was town so of course fonti is the cop like she originally claimed.

His later claim of 'i did it for the WINE' doesn't hold up to inspection because a strong stated belief that fonti is the cop is not a wine play in that spot.

 

Okay, now we're getting somewhere.

So what happened N2, then?

Presumably Cobalt has a non-killing role that can target fonti, as evidenced by his repeated desire for fonti to track him N3. What's his role?

What's Cobalt thinking going into N2? Why was there no kill?

What's Cobalt thinking going into N3? Why was there no kill?

 

For the like 8 millionth time I LEGITIMATELY thought Fonti was the ACTUAL cop and was just saying she wasn't the cop to cover her own ass. Like how many times am I gonna have to explain that lmao.

As far as your first thing you quoted: Doctor seeking a soft to hard protect. I don't roll doc/medic/whatever often but when I do I try to play it differently each time. Was hoping for something that would escape scum's notice that would give me a little something to work with.

Okay, firstly, I'm not a DLP regular and I don't know the difference between any mini-mafia and a random setup on my home site. A lot of doc roles on my home site have been stupidly overpowered because that's just how our standard roles were (doctor protects someone every night, period, no restrictions) and that extended through into smaller games.

So don't say "this is a mini how could you think x would work" because I come here to play, not to bore myself with extensive research into how every kind of setup works here when all I knew was that I rolled doc and had town to protect.

- I think there might be another night phase because after you mentioned the scum JOAT thing for balance with all these town roles flying around it makes a lot of sense with Acio and I LITERALLY just won as scum in a game where one of our teammates was a JOAT with, guess what... a mason stock. Granted it was much more limited but I can see how it would balance out the town PR's if the chat lasted the whole game.

- I would MUCH rather be killed before F3 but I have a feeling that isn't going to happen because I'm pretty much always the lynch in F3 which basically secures scum the victory. I'll go down kicking and screaming if that happens. And if I wind up in F3 with Acio and Proph I might actually throw myself off a cliff first because both of them are in my PoE and I don't feel any more strongly about one than the other now, unlike my townread on you.

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throwback to D3 because ~literally explained that already so stop asking~

 

Hum.

That sounded pretty fucking town.

 

ok you know what, eff this whole phase.

I'm sticking to my guns here. Fonti got shot. She could have been kept alive for the wine, and yes she was a claimed role, but she was pushing the lynch order and was always sure of me being town.

Why in ANY universe, would I, as scum, kill Fonti, someone pushing the lynch order that results in my victory and is the most strongly townreading me out of everyone in the game? BEFORE F5?