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If the fraud was a hero?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Ninclow, May 15, 2016.

  1. Ninclow

    Ninclow Fifth Year

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    For a whole decade, we hear that a Gilderoy Lockhart have traveled the world to combat the Dark Forces. How he defeated the Bandon Banshee, how he saved a village from the widely feared Wagga Wagga Werewolf, how he braved the forbidding, vampire-infested woods of Romania and participated in the attempt to save the Giant Fire Crab in the midst of the Fijian rainforests. This is only a few examples of his adventures.

    Naturally, we all know that he merely took the credit of the achievements of more accomplished witches and wizards, but let us for a moment imagine that everything in his books indeed were his own doing, and that he truly was the world-class defender against the Dark Arts his reputation made him out to be...

    How do you think he would've been like? How powerful would he have been if compared to other known characters of proven talents? Would he outclass the 'average' Auror? How would you WANT him to be like?
     
  2. Peter North

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    From what we get out of his books it sounds like he really only battled magical creatures for the most part. So I would say if he really hadn't been a fraud it probably would have been on the same level as your average auror.
     
  3. Clerith

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    Definitely better than your average Auror. Somewhere around McGonagall and Flitwick.

    Traveling the world, braving dangerous areas, fighting scary magial creatures, uncovering mysteries... I imagine he'd be brave, skilled, intelligent... somebody you'd be proud to be from your country.
     
  4. Alistair

    Alistair Seventh Year

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    I imagine him as a natural successor to the other great British explorers such as Cook, Raleigh and Livingstone. A proper gentleman explorer/naturalist.
    As for his skill, well, he might not be particularly powerful or knowledgeable, but he would be tenacious and ingenious in the application of his power. One would imagine that such a life might make him rather more ruthless than the average auror due to his time spent in locales where the law is powerless or non-existent. He would also have a repertoire of unusual spells not commonly known in Britain that he picked up on his travels which would make him a difficult opponent in comparison to the average auror, who is likey to stick to standard 'Hogwarts fare' spells such as Stupefy.

    Weirdly, now I have written this, I have this ungodly hybrid between James Bond and David Attenborough in mind...
     
  5. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    This is the concept that convinced me to try my hand at writing fanfiction. It's the keystone to the AU I've been putting off working on for years now.
     
  6. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    I imagine he'd be a fusion of James Bond and Indiana Jones.

    Well, now that you've mentioned it you have tell us at least a bit more.

    Please? :nyan:
     
  7. Erotic Adventures of S

    Erotic Adventures of S Denarii Host

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    I don't think he needs to be powerful in the terms your thinking of. Just skilful and resourceful. Someone like Bear Grills compared to a master MMA fighter. The latter is the better fighter but you'd rather have the first to take you round the world in a range of environments and situations.
     
  8. Solpagae

    Solpagae First Year

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    I'm reminded of the wizard slew a Chimaera and then died afterwards, falling from his winged horse. I like to picture him something like a Slim Pickens riding the bomb. Sort of suicidally gung-ho. A Gilderoy Lockhart in similar stripes tickles my fancy.

    Alternatively or additionally with Lockhart of canon being an immoral character I could see him as someone like Hisoka from HunterxHunter anime(bear with me). Basically a joker who will kill without hesitation, but likes to seek out worthy opponents, failing that to toy with and groom those who might become worthy. A Dark monster hunter's got to have something rattling loose in the the old noggin.

    In any case highly, if unconventionally, talented. Hard to gauge, like Weasley twins vs their classmates, but more creativity and unsuspected spell usage. Putting him above your average auror, and into the top ranks (outside prodigies).
     
  9. Celestin

    Celestin Dimensional Trunk

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    How about a hero who pretends to be a fraud pretending to be a hero? His fans believe him to be a charming, if a little egocentric, wizard. His haters believe him to be a liar and manipulator who only wants to be famous. In truth he's a man he cares more than he should who hides his true self behind these masks.
     
  10. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Basically I'd never intended to write any 'long' fanfiction, just a couple of shorts or maybe something edging into the 20k range. While a lot of my ideas struck me as new and/or interesting, nothing made me want to devote that much time to writing fanfiction instead of original fiction.

    One thing I'm fond of is Harry having a mentor of some kind. The old adage being "write what you want to read" meant that any lengthy fanfiction of mine would therefore include a mentor.

    Common choices include: Dumbledore, Sirius, Lupin, & Snape.

    The common choices have been done to death, and my ideas would be mostly regurgitating ideas. I had some interesting ideas for other less common people like Flitwick being a mentor, but it never quite fit for me.

    Then it hit me. Lockhart is freaking perfect if he doesn't suck at everything.

    The most common choices all bring up uncomfortable questions and carry some form of emotional baggage. At some point Harry would have to ask "Why didn't you tell me X?" There's a lot of history with those characters.

    Lockhart probably didn't know James and Lily. He wasn't part of the Order. He didn't know about the prophecy or have any reason to question Sirius's conviction. In my mind he specialized in magical creatures/beings and probably fucked off out of England during Voldemort's reign. He has a clean slate with Harry and has no reason not to be honest with him.

    "Professor Lockhart?"
    "Hm?"
    "Who is Sirius Black?"
    Gilderoy looked up and met Harry's eyes, then set his papers down. "Ah," he said. "Been reading old newspapers have you?"
    Harry crossed his arms but didn't say anything else.
    "Your father's best friend, from what I heard. Your father trusted him with a secret, but Black betrayed him. I remember them, barely, at Hogwarts. They started in my final year."
    My point is... that unlike almost every other adult in the series, Lockhart doesn't already know a shit ton of secrets. He doesn't know about the prophecy. He doesn't have any reason to suspect that Sirius isn't a Death Eater.

    And if he's half the badass he pretended to be in the books, he could potentially have a lot to teach or pass on to Harry. Plus he could influence Harry to utilize his fame, teach him to benefit from it instead of hide from it. Sway public opinions. Etc.

    ...etc. Yeah, sounds corny. But it was the start of an idea, and I've only read two decent Lockhart fics. And one of them was humor.
     
  11. Alpaca Queen

    Alpaca Queen Fourth Year

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    It's definitely a cool idea, but I do also like those hidden depths in the mentor, that they know things and have done things that the main character (and therefore you as the reader) don't know about. It makes them mysterious and interesting, and lends them a kind of secretive credibility. Lockhart is almost literally an open book in that he's written about all his adventures and then published them. Yeah, he's got a lot to teach Harry, but I get the feeling he'd work more as part of a rotating cast of lessons. Like how each year there's a new DADA teacher, but if each one was actually competent. Quirrell would teach the basics, Lockhart would teach ingenuity, Lupin would teach adaptability, Moody would teach ruthlessness, Umbridge would teach theory, and so on. Meanwhile, somebody with secrets and reasons to keep them takes the spot as the mysterious mentor figure, guiding Harry's growth and setting up the lessons from a distance.

    ...Except that's basically canon, so it's not really all that interesting to write about.
     
  12. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    CheddarTrek I don't think it sounds corny at all. In fact I think it's a neat idea and I'd read it.
     
  13. Myrrdin Emrys

    Myrrdin Emrys Disappeared

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    CheddarTrek you bastard. Oh come on, please write the story. Pretty please?

    After getting us (or at least me) so freaking excited, you leave the idea? I can guarantee that almost all active DLP-Members would read it.
     
  14. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    I never left anything - I'm busy, it would be a very long story, and I've always intended to finish a draft before posting it piecemeal in WbA. Not to mention that I was unwilling to drop my original projects completely.

    Patience, grasshopper. Mwahaha. I'm still quite excited about it.
     
  15. Blorcyn

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    Cheddar that idea sounds awesome.

    Besides that, I quite agree with Alistair in his vision of a successful Lockhart, except for the part where he's not that knowledgeable or powerful.

    A Lockhart who did all those things would have to be. The people he memory charmed were strong but also moral, humble people, things Lockhart didn't see as particularly useful traits. I think there's reference to the fact that those who succeeded were lucky to get out alive. He says something to the effect of him having his looks wouldn't be very likely if he'd actually done it all, or something to that effect, if I'm not misremembering.

    Regardless, we also know that all the best wizards used to travel to seek out knowledge and danger like he would have. To learn magic and face situations that would improve them. It's a Victorian grand tour in theme, but one that yielded real magical reward as well as personal growth. And it fell out of fashion due to Grindlewald.

    I think these things together, if he'd done everything he claimed to have done, would make him a pretty excellent wizard. Though maybe his books would be more gritty Grisham's than the canon Magical Me. How excellent? Well, he'd deserve the post of a Hogwarts professor. Which is an endorsement of strength, really.
     
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  16. Atram Noctem

    Atram Noctem Auror

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    I'm pretty sure that's only in HP and the Boy Who Lived.
     
  17. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Pretty sure it's canon. Albus and his buddy Elphias Doge had planned to go on a 'Grand Tour' after finishing Hogwarts, but Albus had to stay home and look after Abe and Arianna.

    ...damnit, where are my books. >.> I hope I didn't make that up or get it from a fanfic.
     
  18. Peter North

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    No you didn't make it up.

    "So that put paid to Albus's trip round the world with little Doge.The pair of 'em came home for my mother's funeral and then Doge went off on his own, and Albus settled down as head of the family.
    Ha!"
    Aberforth spat into the fire.

    From DH Chapter: Missing Mirrior
     
  19. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    What @Peter North said, and also this one. It's from Skeeter's article, but I don't think she's lying about the concept of a Grand Tour.
     
  20. BTT

    BTT Viol̀e͜n̛t͝ D̶e͡li͡g҉h̛t҉s̀ ~ Prestige ~

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    Y'know, the thought's just come up to me that with Albus' homosexuality, one could read a lot into that Grand Tour thing.
     
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