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Ilvermorny nonsense on Pottermore

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Anarchy, Jun 28, 2016.

  1. JuniorAL

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    Summoning charms remember, Harry summoned his Firebolt from a distance, this kind of "sympathetic" magic already exists. "Accio Hagrid" "Accio diccionary" "Accio Trevo", i think its pretty reasonable to be able to cast a powerful curse like this, and it was hundreds of years ago, who knows how many people actually knows how to cast that kind of spell in modern days. They always mention "ancient magic" in the books, this must be an example of it.

    And btw wandcrafting takes a lot of intuition, for example why would Olivanders have 2 wands sharing the core from the same phoenix? He made a pretty big deal about it, so its not like he has 5 different wands with different woods and sharing the same core. Also, the girl had Slytherin's wand, if you believe that Antioch Peverell made the Elder Wand then its quite possible that Slytherin's wand is just as powerful, if not more. So yes it is easy to make a wand, the difficult part is to make one that is powerful and compatible with the Witch or Wizard.
     
  2. Erotic Adventures of S

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    Way back in the original Pottermore there was a huge piece on wands that was pretty good. And in there it said wands had feelings and loyalties, almost personalities. It seems very plausible that you can't simply make a burner wand with out your real one turning on you.

    Also wands are said to learn and get in tune with you. Honestly I can buy people making wands fairly easily, what I can't see is them being very good.
     
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    Am I litteraly the only one here who was engrossed in it, loving every bit? I mean come on you guys are acting like the bunch of dicks alot of people say you are.

    But if you were to want a counterpoint, an actual argument, why is it that you don't particularly care about the expansion of this world you love? It's been something like a day or two since it came our, I only just got a message about it, but your already three pages deep in spouting nonsense on how dumb this stuff is.

    Do you remeber the original books? When she turned Cerberus, the dog that guards the underworld and helps pass judgement, into a fuxking puppy with a drool problem? Same charecter, just with a new name. Or how about when she made Chinese dragons to be the same animalistic beasts as European ones?

    What about the blatant stupidity of the time turners in the original stories, sure we can explain everything away but they weren't in the books.

    No, the original was stupid and so is this, but it's fun
    It doesn't matter how dumb it is, why should it, we learned so much about a fun and campy fictional world some of you have been following since around when k was born. It's cannon, deal with it, or make your own fanfiction where it's not. Either way, stop being but hurt because some people got their head cannons confirmed and some didn't.
     
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    Not liking something makes you a dick? Huh.

    It wasn't that bad, but compared to the quality we got used to when reading the books? It is pretty disappointing. 'Not bad' shouldn't be the standard for new stories.
     
  5. JuniorAL

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    You're talking about argument and yet you havent made a good one of why you think the new story is fun a part from comparisons. Anyway, i enjoyed the new story because i read through it, now i know for sure that other countries have different magical creatures, parseltongue is not dead, its possible to use dark magic to try and make yourself invincible (Which confirms my theory of why i dont think Voldemort would ever be defeated even if someone managed to hit him with a simple spell). Slytherin's wand is buried and its possibly made out of Snakewood which have healing properties so its a nice balance between the core and the wood (And again serpents are known to represent both the good and evil side, Yin and Yang and etc), and overall it confirms a bunch of my theories that i often use in my personal fics which i have never published.

    What i didnt like was that its not so great, it does not have a lot of fresh new info, she could have used that story to answer a lot of our questions. Maybe its just because i am such a nerd, but this new story didnt make me go "Ohh thats so interesting" lol, it didnt surprise me, it was just okay i'm glad she did it but it could have been better.
     
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    Alright, since you want an actual answer I'll elaborate on my personal views (which do not reflect the rest of the forum, yadda yadda).

    It's not that I think it's dumb or stupid. It's that I think it's boring.

    Why do I think that I think it's boring? Because this isn't story. It's world building, and most people don't give a rat's ass about world building until it's part of a narrative.

    The Cerberus was part of a narrative, of the story in PS/SS. It was an obstacle for Harry to overcome, and we were invested in Harry. It didn't matter if that Cerberus was a music loving puppy, a literal hound of hell, or something else altogether.

    If JKR had written a FBAWTFT entry on the Cerberus without ever putting one in the books, then... yeah, I'd probably find it boring in that case. I don't think FBAWTFT was bad but unlike the novels I've had no desire to re-read it and I wouldn't have bought them if not for charity.

    I'd love to read more world building about Hogwarts. Because I'm invested as a reader and as a fan in Hogwarts. There were stories set there. Almost all the interesting characters ever went to school there. There are fanfictions being written about there. So if JKR wants to spend a few thousand words telling me about the hidden alcove in the library that Rowena Ravenclaw hid behind a couch cushion, I'm into that. Same if we want to get actual dimensions on how big the castle is, how much space is unused, and so forth. Because I give a damn.

    I haven't read a proper story about Ilvermorny yet. I have no reason to be invested in it to the point that I want to read backstory. So it's just a bunch of information that I don't have a reason to care about, because it's written more as a 'history' than as a short story.

    So I don't think it's dumb or stupid. I think it's boring, b/c I just don't care.

    Here, check this out. This is a link to a world building post about a story called "Mother of Learning." There are some other, similar posts on his WP site.

    If you haven't read that story, then that post is probably boring. If you have read it, it's interesting. Because it provides information about a world and setting we're familiar with.

    Ilvermorny is too far separate from "Harry Potter" the franchise to generate interest for me. It might as well be an entirely different series that I haven't read the story for yet... because there's no story.

    Without reading a story to ground my interest in this school, about the only information I really want is what we got on the other schools. Like Castelobrano. I think that information is interesting because it's short and to the point, adds something to Harry Potter without trying to bog me down in thousands of words of world building. It's like a FBAWTFT entry for a school, whereas the Ilvermorny information is a dozen times too long to be 'short and to the point.'

    Now, I've said my piece. You're free to disagree, and that's fine. But just because I didn't enjoy what JKR wrote doesn't make me a dick, no more than enjoying it makes you an idiotic fanboy. It's an opinion. And contrary to your opinion not all of us are band wagoning on it just because we like to bash shit.
     
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    Here's the thing, I don't mind that people don't like it but I can read for a fact that many of the people here bearly even read it and thought of it like a story. It's not a story, probobly the colsest we'll get to another story is the script to cursed child, or maybe a novalisation of the Fantastic Beast films.

    But You know what, I am interested, I've been interested about every single bit of information about this magical world since I first learned that their was information not in the books. I'm interested in the histories of worlds I barely know, and of those that I do. Because that's what I do.

    I'm sorry, I guess it's just me and my own person that is this way. But I wanted to contrast people, and at the time I was pretty angry since their were like two to three posts of people who actualy enjoyed the thing at least a little bit, in three pages, and I had just gotten off reading the whole thing with an episode of an anime I was watching on the tv paused.

    I just wish the majority of people wouldn't be "I hate this" and "oh, what do you know, so do I!" in a longform days after it came out. Being in that mental state, one affected by my own general mental state, forced my mind to go into an angry place. I'm sorry about that.
     
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    Bah, of course it's a story. The problem is that it throws stuff at us like a fairytale - here's a Horned Serpent, a Nice Goblin, two kids and a muggle! And a witch who speaks Parseltongue except she doesn't! And she crafts wands! And a big house that gets so big they start calling it a castle! What, why, how? Let me breathe, ground your shit in the universe and then we'll talk some more.

    And I reiterate my point that this is something any passable writer could just make up in a day. It's just not what I expected from a big reveal of the backstory of the American school, which was hyped up because of the FB films.
     
  9. ihateseatbelts

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    I wasn't going to say anything, but the wandcrafting bit really disappointed me. Well... almost everything involving wands was disappointing.

    But it's the fact that it took no more than a Muggle who flew into a tree after merely waving a wand (BTW, wtf???) and a witch who can't have known much about wandlore (otherwise she could have made her own instead of stealing her aunt's) that's particularly frustrating.

    Ironically, I think this story only succeeded in sucking magic out of the universe than the reverse.
     
  10. Warlocke

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    And you're spelling like you type with a dick.

    A: That's neither a counterpoint, nor an argument. It's a question, and not one that delves particularly deep, at that.

    B: Since when are loving something and recognizing the faults in something mutually exclusive states? Or loving the collective whole but dislking some of its constituent parts? My mother loves me, and I'm a constant disappointment. :p

    Frankly, there's a tendency for people to be more irritated by imperfections in the things they love most, precisely because they love it so much that the imperfections are more glaring in their contrast.

    "Cerberus?" Cerberus with a capital C? No, I do not recall that character in the books.

    I remember a cerberus, though.

    Meh. There are plenty of stories with intelligent "European" dragons, and I'm sure there are some with "animalistic" Chinese ones, too.

    The only thing stupid about Time Turners in the books is the plothole they created when they were only used once, outside of propping up Hermione's ego by allowing her to take every class.

    That's a matter of opinion. At any rate, people both liked and bitched about the original novels and earlier WoG stuff, and they'll do the same with the Pottermore, FB movie, and Cursed Child materials.

    It was fine then and it's fine now.

    No. No it is not.
    Not without powder, a ramrod, and bigger balls than you're prepared to provide.

    Thank god you're here to order people to feel a particular way. They were adrift in a sea of clearly incorrect emotions until you cleared things up for them.

    Our recent dose of Prozium II was late and... well, allowances must be made.

    What?

    Because he had the material on hand to make two, instead of making one and flushing the other feather down the toilet.

    Realistically, there are probably a lot of Ollivander wands that have brother cores. I don't know how many heartstrings you can get out of a single dragon heart, but you can get plenty of hairs out of a single unicorn tail. And that's without even coming close to plucking the thing bald. There are only so many unicorns, and they're not exactly easy to approach (especially if you have a Y chromosome), so my guess is that when you get a donor, you're going to take as much as you can from that one animal without making it angry.

    The unicorn Cedric's wand core came from nearly gored Ollivander. If you had the choice of pissing off one unicorn and getting five hairs in return, or pissing off five unicorns and getting one hair each...

    The wandcrafter's motto is probably "Grip hard. Yank once. Run fast."

    If your grip is strong enough and you run fast enough, you can probably even skip step two.

    He states he only uses three different types of wand cores, and phoenix feather is one of them. So I imagine there are a goodly number of wands in his shop with phoenix feathers in them, which share a single donor. Or he has so few phoenix wands on hand that he'd might as well say, "I only use unicorn hairs and dragon heartstrings, but who knows, you may get something else if you're a main character."

    But I guess we could go with your apparent theory that wand makers are some subclass of seer, and that Ollivander only made those two wands with matching cores because he somehow intuited there'd be some dire need for them in the future - they'd either have to fight together or against each other some day, and the results would change the course of history.

    And he didn't tell Harry any of this ahead of time because A: Fuck kids, and B: Protecting one's country shouldn't be unduly easy; you've got to earn that shit.

    Makes total sense.

    First off, the different woods thing is immaterial in this instance. There's no pressing reason to stick every core from one donor into a single type of wood, so brother wands having different woods isn't relevant (and neither is them having the same wood).

    More importantly, he made a big deal out of it because that particular phoenix just so happened to only give two feathers and, out of the two wands made with them, one had been used by the most famous terrorist in recent memory... and his most famous would-be victim was the one getting the other wand, and said victim was the one to whom he was speaking. That's it.

    He didn't bring it up to imply he somehow knew ahead of time those two wands would eventually be a big deal.

    If you'll recall, he remembers the details of every single, stinking, wand he's ever made, not just the ones important to the narrative of the story. He can also tell what core a wand has without ever having seen or used it before, given what we know from the weighing of the wands scene in GoF.

    In addition to details about the brother wands, Ollivander also tells Harry that James Potter's wand was a pliable, eleven-inch, mahogany, wand, had a bit more power in it than his mother's, and was excellent for transfiguration. Did he say that because it was at the crux of the history of Wizarding Britain, or because it would be relevant and interesting trivia to a boy who never got a chance to know his own parents?

    In fact, he gave Harry more details about his parents' wands than he did Voldemort's. Was it stiff? Was it swishy? Did it vacation on Fire Island?

    He didn't tell Hermione what James or Lily's wands were like for the same reason he didn't tell her she really missed out, not picking the brother to Voldemort's wands: He didn't think it was relevant to her - this in spite of the fact that she would be at the right hand of the boy wielding said wand, in a fight to save the world.

    But I bet if her mother had been a witch, he'd have had a thing or two to say about her wand, because that would have been relevant.

    tl;dr: He mentioned it because the one wand was owned by the famous guy that attacked the guy who was buying the brother wand. He didn't know the wands were special when he made them. He had no special insight into their futures (or else why would he have given one to Tom instead of saying, "That light show was pretty spectacular, but let's go with the wand that made the sad trombone sound when you waved it.").

    He didn't know any more about the significance of those wands than Dumbledore did when he said, "Hogwarts is not a school for mad people." and Tom replied, "I can make bad things happen to people who annoy me. I can make them hurt if I want to. Hurting people makes my tiny tweenie todger stiff, it does. I wet the bed, kill animals, and do both while wearing a brassiere I stole from Mrs. Cole, because it's the only way I can feel emotions other than rage, but I only do it when my teeth tell me to! Why do my teeth talk to me? Do your teeth talk to you? Is it because I'm a murder-wizard like you that my teeth talk to me and tell me to drive the knives deep and rend the flesh from the bone as surely as the soul abandons the flesh?" to which Dumbledore said, "Nope. Nothing wrong with this one. Well then, let's get your supplies for Hogwarts: School of Racism and Treachery, little Tom; off you trot."

    Edit: Also, what CheddarTrek and ScottPress said.
     
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    You speculate a bit too much, everything i say is based on facts. I disagree with you Warlocke but i really dont feel like writing another text, people dont seem to give much credit to noobs here. Anyway, i respect your opinion, have a good day.
     
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    I just finished reading it, and while certain parts did seem as if they were directly taken from fanfiction from 2004, it wasn't as bad as I anticipated. I did not like how easy it is to make a wand, nor the addition of a horn on the basilisk when a piece of skin or fang would have sufficed. Mostly, though, I hated that it was a Gaunt at the center of this story. I get it, you wanted her connected to Salazar, but couldn't she be from another family that was related to the Slytherin line? It would make it even more poignant, I feel, when the gene doesn't die off because there is an entirely different family that still carries it.

    Generally, it wasn't as bad as some other things, but still, a little to be desired.
     
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    I am pretty much neutral on this. While I thought that there were too many parallels between this and the original story (what with the "no-maj" husband willing to sacrifice himself for his children and, of course, Isolte first having her parents killed by a dark wizard descended from Slytherin, then being raised by (an) abusive relative(s) before escaping to a world full of magic and defeating said dark descendant of Slytherin to live happily ever after with her friends and family), which definitely made it read like terrible fanfiction, I was just too happy that she had returned to the basics after the utter awfulness that was Deatlhy Hallows.
     
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    I didn't like how Ilvermorny copied too much of Hogwarts, down to the sorting system. The stuff about the evil aunt and the Muggle-hating Slytherins was also repetitive. I was looking forward to seeing more Native American influence.

    That being said, a lost branch of Slytherin's family in America would have been cool. Maybe a Muggleborn descendant of that Squib daughter might have magic again. Then suddenly there's another Parselmouth/Heir of Slytherin in the world - a Muggleborn one, too. (Take *that*, Voldemort.) Having a Muggle being one of the founders was also new, if a little corny.
     
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    It's this kind of crap that seriously temps me towards the "Author is dead" camp.
     
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    I'm not a huge fan of Pukwudgies. They seem like a lazy combination of goblins and house elves (especially with their attitude toward humans) and feel far too overpowered with their appearing/reappearing + poison arrows.

    Also, am I the only one who still has a really hard time getting used to the term "No-Maj"?
     
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    'No-Maj' sounds like some kind of 'healthy' new food trend to me. The kind that doesn't taste like anything but is praised by instagram health gurus around the world.

    Though I guess it doesn't sound as much like an insult as muggle does.

    I was somewhat irritated by the new sorting. I was a Syltherin/Ravenclaw tie and expected to be a Horned Serpent. Got Wampus instead.
     
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    It actually just sounds like someone who was trying to sound cool. And failed.

    Also, Pukwudgies=Deus ex Machina. Just like Fawkes with the Sorting Hat in CoS. And just like Fawkes' powers were used for fuck all in the remaining books, I bet we won't see Pukwudgies in Fantastic Beasts.
     
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    It would have been an interesting twist if that was what happened when a Squib picked up a wand, rather than a muggle/non-maj.
    As if they had some sort of anti-magic or something.
     
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    The questions on this one are pretty ridiculous not to mention the Thunderbird house looks like an Imperial Eagle.
     
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