is that all i am to you?

 

But I'm not talking any similarities in their personalities, or even necessarily their playstyles.
What's the same is their reputations. And how people deal with them.

 

More kitten photos, thanks.

 

people usually deal with me by getting salty at me in lylo

 

A fair point. I think kai doesn't quite have Seppel rep, but those are things that become clear with time.

 

Checks out.

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I mean, I'm basing this on just one game worth of people talking about him.
But yeah, seems like a great lump target.

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But, to be fair, I have been called seppel 2.0
Less furry porn, but fairly hard to read.

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Actually, now that I think about it, it was scum that called me that.
Point rescinded.

 

Tom, why exactly do you think Jan is mafia? I've seen multiple cases against the Door but nothing concrete against Jan.

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Seppel's hard to read because he sacrifices his town play to be an ass. Being like him is not endearing.

 

Oh have I not made a case yet?
I'm not used to this speed. I'll do it before bed.

But the crux of it is the timing of when he lashes out against the gameflow.

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I didn't seek out the comparison. Though I will say I rather enjoy seppel in an odd way.

 

Maybe Sesc/Tom/Weiyaoli? I can see that narrative.

 

Man, my rainbow wall was an embarrassment then.
I think if you're gonna put me on a team, it should probably be either delph or bill and one of my town reads.
I guess sesc works... but eh

 

Atum - Town lean began mostly due to his reaverb push (I think if he were scum it'd have come off much more awkwardly) + general similar feel to his towngame, plus the response to being townread. Only issue I have with him at this point is a lack of doing much to imapct the game but I don't think he's really ever scum without fonti given her read matching mine.

Snowvon/Vaimes - Vaimes because that's who I'm seeing. I don't think it's constructive for me to go into detail, but ultimately him being able to pull off this style on DLP for the first time seems a lot more likely in a towngame than in a scumgame. Not going to pull out quotes because it's frustrating.

Mal - Here based on his initial thread presence (his way of conversationally investigating, though less so the push on me) and he doesn't strike me as tactically lurking. Will re-evaluate when he posts words.

The Waco Kid- Moving up for me because the way he's been pressuring people throughout this Day has been with consistent oomph behind it that I think is hard to fake. Maybe also giving too much credit for the Pokemon thing but that made my day.

weiyaoli- I had written a response to his #216 before I went to dinner that I meant to cut-paste here but ****ing copied something else over, but I felt like he was able to answer an apparent contradiction in his thought process about fonti showing a smooth critical thinking process, but that's the main thing in his posts that have struck me as alignment indicative. Need to reread the thread for him in context, actually not sure I like his Bill Door push? I don't think his thoughts about the lump are very alignment indicative and if anything he seemed kind of nervous about it ending up on him.

Reaverb - The fact that so many people have given the exact same scumread on him and been vocal about his absence makes me feel like he's more town. His question/discussion to me about Kai at least felt in the line of trying to make conversation for later useful discussion, which is what he was "!" excited about doing.

Sesc - Hasn't really changed other than I have no idea why he felt the need to ask where I was earlier when the only time he's ever mentioned me is to respond to a question, though depending on his follow-up that may even be town-indicative? He has some good tone in places, as I've previously quoted, and content that indicates critical thinking. The way he goes about voting still feels awkward to me but I'm having trouble explaining why. Maybe there's something that isn't clicking about his mindset but it feels inconsistent what power a vote holds to him based on how he uses his. It does seem like it'd be good for Lump, though.

KaiDASH - He's actually posting so little that I don't feel like I can use the one thing I think I know about his witch play. I don't understand why it's such a focus for him that BD doesn't want him lumped, but Jan's push on him bothers me more than he bothers me.

Tom- At best he's really weirdly tunneling me at this point. I don't like the way he's walked back the reasons he seemed to townread me while emphasizing "IIOA" as a buzzword that apparently fits all of my posts as soon as I seemed like a viable lynch. Dunno if Mal/von have meta thoughts on that? His recent reads have less oomph than I expected based on how he came off to me initially and he seems OTT with the von buddying. Style-related stuff still stands.

Bill Door - Only real town indicative thing that he's posted imo is his tonal(?) scumread of Snowvon with minimal substance despite it being an unpopular read and him pushing the same people that von is. Stood out to me but in a not-pushing-an-agenda kind of way. (Actually, going through his iso, I thought he stated it after asking von about "interesting bottom 3" and I don't feel as strongly about it now.) I dislike his repeated fontinoia narration without actually citing her posts, particularly "I always think Fonti's a possible witch until she's dead or townfirmed"; narrating that you're acting the same way that you always do as town is a weird look. 'Just lump me' as a defense is WIFOMy. Not sure what to think of him being in a similar reads list place to most people but seemingly for a lot different reasons.

Jan - I got vaguely coasty vibes at first and now I'm having trouble finding a coherent thought narrative behind his play. In trying to integrate his view of the gamestate with my own I mostly just feel like last night he was cheekily excited about making his way into the edge of the towncircle, and like he's since walked that back once a lot of people started pressuring him about it, rather than tonally standing his ground. Some thoughts related to him anchoring around fonti feel underdeveloped to me (giving basically the same canned "getting reads too early" as Mini Mafia 6 while emphasizing her activity level in a disjointed way, plus how he settled on his Atum read). In response to his fonti-anchored-Towncircle-based gamestate, he has a kind of an unnatural push on Kai that makes me feel like he decided continuing to be Kai's best bro would be -EV now? (The reason being that Kai would do more as town by now, which to me is a crapshoot.) The order of his wall didn't seem to entirely match his thoughts (particularly on reaverb but also on the order of his nulls/it's mostly a feeling about the end of the list.) I don't know what to do with him repeating how null I apparently am over and over. I guess I'm kinda flattered that I matter that much. I do think he's significantly less limp noodle than Mini Mafia 6.

I am just leaving fonti out of this until I can talk to her and Jan more. A thing is that she seems more game state controlling and less mechanically controlling than I normally associate with her being town. I disagree completely with (at least the initial) reasoning for her wei read but I like his analysis surrounding her reaverb vote that I don't actually think it's her putting a buddy in her circle, so like.

I'm sure her jerking me around is helpful for getting a read on me, or pretending to, but it makes it hard for me to evaluate the game state.

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Lump: Sesc

I have no idea what the lump count is and I will consolidate accordingly if I have to when I see one.

I am too mad at losing half my responses to wei/von/Tom to rework on them.

 

Ok, expanding.

You and The Waco Kid both seemed to have voted him purely for pressure. Which was good! He needed some pressure. Either way, that put him tied with Delphine and KaiDASH, and one vote under Jan.

Then Bill came in with his bad vote on me.

Weiyaoli immediately jumps on it, but takes a moment to cast some shade at me AND note the earlier votes on the wagon.

font scumreads him for the same reason she always scumreads people on Day1. (and when he shows back up, this is the part he actually needs to address)

The Sesc jumps on Bill too for not a terribly strong reason. Also this part:

stands out given his previous post:

And then Jan's vote is consolidation/self-defense that doesn't say anything.

So, I'm pretty uncomfortable with 2/3s of the build up here.

Now, if we were all less good about keeping people voting and consolidating, I'd be looking more outside the wagons in the case they're both town. But all that's out there is:
Me: I know what I was doing
Bill Door: Kind of weird vote given the votal at the time if scum:

and then he hasn't been back since.
reaverb: Missing, still in RVS
Atum: Was part of a real wagon, had it dissolve on him. Dislike that he's still where he is without scumhunting Wei more though.
Sesc before consolidating: Joins Jan and Reaverb on Kai for essentially the same reasons Bill was voting me, lack of content. /Still/ hasn't substantially mentioned or defended reaverb despite having a similar outlook on votes (side note: reaverb's early stuff was completely null, feel like scum would have known that and avoided the wagon)

Yeah, I don't really see 2 out of the 3 in that small group. Scum are certainly on the wagons, and there's more room for them on Bill.

I'm clearing Von and TheWacoKid, and I don't see Delphine and Tom together. Delphine really needs to refresh her vote, and I dislike the timing of Tom moving over quite a bit. But even so, it doesn't feel like a strongly scum supported lynch, either because font is town and scum doesn't want to tussle with her (tom would be an exception here, for obvious reasons) or because font is scum and the scumteam is off pushing Bill (scum!Delphine taking a park maybe makes sense in that world.)

 

Hey font, show your town!Jan work, pretty please.

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votals for the new page

 

Hey Delphine ,

Within your bottom 3 reads (Jan, Bill, Tom), which two are most likely to be on a team together? Why?

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That's the wrong thing for you to focus on. Could you do a thought experiment for me?

If Jan and Bill are both town, please highlight the scumteam in the current votal.

Relatedly, let's not talk about what other tom/X/X teams I should be considering. I can have that conversation without you. Could you weigh in the likelihood of Sesc/Wei/X teams? (Yes, I've seen your rainbow wall, no I don't care). Who is the X from your POV?

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This is more likely to happen toDay:

Day1 Vote Weiyaoli

@reaverb should join me when he gets back
Bill Door needs to provide a detailed Jan read ASAP and then join the appropriate wagon.

 

On my phone now, so off the top of my head.

Behaviorally Jan/Bill has struck me as awkward distancing. (With Bill calling out Jan a couple of times but not voting, and with Jan trying to link reaverb and Bill earlier). Counterpoint is that it's ballsy to then call for him-or-Bill lynch consolidation. Counterpoint to that is that we have a flashwagon meta. Overall would lean that though.

I don't even know if Tom and Bill have mentioned each other besides in the Tom rainbow. I would think Tom would try to get more credit for having Bill that low if it was a bus

I think w/v is the most likely Jan/Tom combo at this point for a couple of reasons.

 

With this in mind, I'm not exactly sure why your next lynch vote was on Jan.

So two things;
Why aren't you still on Bill Door?
Why Jan?

 

Jan does his priest claim and starts stumping for kai just as atum is gathering townreads.
That post might as well say "hey guys, lets talk about something else."
He next makes this weird meta post about how terrible atum's scumgame was but says there was IRL stuff so it doesn't matter.
Begs the question of why even post it
Especially as his next post says he has no read on atum because he doesn't have the meta.
Later, jan responds to vaimes' scumread by deflecting onto weiyaoli. Almost too obvious of a pocketing attempt.
Then there's that way overanalyzed sesc post I already talk about. Shit like this is exactly why I came into the thread like a buffoon. Not knowing me for the first couple pages, the scumteam should have been salivating at the thought of my mislynch.
And that was straight up entrapment.
Deflects my attack by asking thug about me. Suddenly dismayed that I seem to have claws (such as they are)
#175 remains awful, in or out of context
Then comes "fonti is either town or townsiding"
Theres basically a fence attached to his buttocks at this point.
Then we get to the rainbow wall, which could not be more lukewarm. Pretty clearly based on the thread temperature.
Also in this post, self conscious about which reads he explains. Just trying to make sure he's treating everone equally.

I'm stopping here for the night, but conclusion: constantly trying to redirect people/ tell them where to go.
Barely containing his dismay when people are getting townread.

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Oh, there was a bunch of stuff while I was typing that.
Nope, I'm going to sleep.
See yall in the AM

 

Sarcasm doesn't make the point invalid.

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I'mthepriest.jpg

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So I figure Jan's probably town after #250. good post.

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So is Snowvon

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Why is everyone scumreading Delphine but no one voting her?

 

First of all, since Snowvon getting lump probably isn't happening - I think I'd like to:

lump: Tom

Giving up on the only lumping people I've played with before strat - since it seems like we'll likely end up wanting the priest/clown/oracle targeting the lumped person anyway. And being able to read the lumped target better isn't that much an advantage in the world where they get checked.

Don't have that much on kai, but at least he's started doing stuff to read off of. I think Waco is a pretty good option too, pretty active and likely to use lump well if town. Thug, I'm not liking the "tactical" lurking(?), seems more like an excuse to not have to follow up on the precedent he set for being active and engaging with people.

Remind me later/after the game and I'll PM you? Don't think I have the typing it out installed on my phone/laptop.


Looking at the votal first before doing my reread -

I'm not sure what Atum has been doing for the last day or so. He parked a vote on me, and since then has barely pressured me/or anyone else at all, seemingly content with that?

Hope Reaverb comes back before the end of D1 - I think we only have ~14 hours or so left from now?

But don't you think at least some of that was the inherent assumption that Newcomb couldn't possibly be scum because they definitely got checked by the priest? And they held that until it was too late? Anyway, moving on from this.

Gonna spend my time after this catching up post rereading Jan.

Jan, reading through page 16, after that back and forth, why is your lump vote still on you? Do you think you'll have a chance of being lumped? You siad you were undecided about tom getting lump. What don't you like about tom and what do you like about tom getting lump?

Why do you want the lump (I guess as being in the category of someone you feel better about than tom)? Give a reason more than just wanting to survive the night.

What do you mean here? Do you not think Delphine putting Jan at the bottom(?)/most towards red of the read wall is affirming they'd still like to lynch Jan?

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Back in a couple of hours - will try to reread Jan in the time.

 

Is it just me or has Atum's activity levels dropped significantly since everyone listed him as a townread?

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Why Weiyaoli?

Jan's town, I think. Once he started actually showing his thought processes I like the way he's looking at the game.

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Unvote

Vote Delphine

Like seriously she's been doing actually nothing to try and find scum. First 6 posts all mechanics rather than anything useful. Some nothing posts like #83 and #90 and from then on talking mostly in big walls. Just sort of stuck a vote on Jan for no reasons and left it there for the entire day. Actually no lump vote even though she's talked about lump plenty of times.

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Town -
BD
Jan
Weiyaoli
snowvon
Town jan prob means town fonti
I like waco



That leaves-
atum, delphine, kai, mal thug, reaverb, sesc, tom.

My town reads are all townreading Atum. I don't see it personally but they can't all be scum so it's probably right,
I kinda like the Tom's style
I think I like Sesc's tone
Pretty meh on mal thug. Too much focus on votes but that might just be a fs style thing.

delphine, kai, reaver

I could see that as a team.