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I think knowing his alignment would be good to progress the game.

I think his readslist was ok for the most part. (I mentioned parts of it, i think)

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He is tunneling me now, which means if he gets the lump and is town then certain things have to happen for that to change.

I put him on ignore solely because his behavior is tilting me and i prefer to enjoy games. I don't plan to change that anytime soon.


So from an objective point of view lumping him would be good.
From my point of view it is something between a waste of a panda (there are not that many left) and an annoyance (if he is town).

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Bill Door reading me town is mean.

Now I actually have to rethink my stance just because he is showing no sign of self preservation.

Delphine - Have you to your own knowledge made a rainbow wall where you colored almost each person with several colours?

I checked Mini-mafia #6 (star wars one run by citrus), but you didn't do a single readwall that game.
Doing that for a few people you are unsure of seems normal-ish, but you are doing it for 9/11 people you are giving a read on. Are you softing terrorist?

Not even talking about the read on me, others more so.
You only say towny things about waco and still use orange yellow and light green, which puts him everywhere and leaves everything open.

The Bill Door thing is worse because you actually use different colours for every single letter. Didn't you feel that looking up the things that you realized you hadn't done yet would be a better use of your time than giving every letter a different colour without actual purpose?

On another note are you around for a period of time before End Of Day?
You said that you want to talk to me or Fonti to get a read on fonti (but not a read on me?!), if you feel like it we could hash it out.

Now let's check out your read on me for a second :

1. Explain the coasty vibes please, i still have the third most posts and most likely the highest word/letter count in the game and that while I was sleeping 2 times for more than 12 hours because of a change in medication.

2. I did not walk back on my initial read. I think my towncircle is solid/mostly solid. I personally did not expect to get attacked from that side of the fence, which makes it harder to find scum.

3. The fonti thing is everything but underdeveloped. We talk to each other every day. I know her by far better than any other person in this game.
I thought her early game was similar to the last fs witchhunt. Replace Atum with Citrus and it is very similar.
Just without the early scumread to tunnel on.

The Atum conclusion is just logical. If Fonti is town then her being this dead certain on Atum makes him town 99% of the time.
If she is scum, then she would not give that read on a scum partner knowing other people in the game might chime in about it -> read is still real > spewed.
There is not much more to it.

4. The Kai thing. I explained what I disliked about Kais reaction early on.
Me pushing the lump on him has nothing to do with how I read him at the time, which should be obvious since he hadn't done anything to read him off.
I waited a while and wanted to see his play before I make a decision on who to move forward. He limp noodled it, i pushed on it.
Easy as that.
The reason is not that Kai would have done more. The reason is that Kai would not alienate people that much because he might be interested in getting lumped.

5. The reaverb position on my list is in pink and outside of everything because while i dislike his early entrance, I do not have any actual read on him until he returns. Which puts him outside of the list of people who actually have given enough content to have some sort of read on them.

6. Ofc you are null at best when your postcount does not change.
Compare this game to mini-mafia #6 where you were all up in everyones business and actually doing things.

7. You whole accusation is so vague and feelsbase that unless you actually come in thread to talk about the game it is hard to react to most of it.

Like .. the coherent thought narrative is something I am more likely to have as scum because I am more likely to prep my play. As town I play by ear and just own sad mafias such as you.
And what does this sentence even mean :

So you are trying to fuse your world with mine to see how it fits, ok.
what does that have to do with my emotions?
And why does it matter? Unless I have a partner in the towncircle, this play never wins me the game. edge of the towncircle is always the first to get kicked out.

Almost everything you say is so fucking vague and excuse ridden with feels that it leaves you every excuse to change whenever you FEEL like it.

What happened to the delphine that played in mini-mafia? with real cases and opinions? Either bring her back or pack your backs.

I don't want to waste more space on this, but if you get in thread to talk about stuff then I would be down to do it.

Vote Delphine

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The fact that Kai and Bill who are in my bottom tier are reading me town, while Waco and Von who are in my town circle are reading me scum is one of the weirder things happening to me in a while.

 

~10.5 hours remain in Day One.

Timer

 

Could we have an official votal if you have the time?

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Doing Jan reread now.

 

Hmm? Not sure I see this one.

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Are mine not good enough?

 

Mal!

Talk!

Game! State! Resolution? Revolution? Revelation?

Use as much of those words as you need.

 

Things that make Weiyaoli scum:

Early shade on Revearb without adding his own questions or pressure. ( #98)

The way he responded to Vaime's question. Feels the need to reflexively question it, still answer in full. Answers not satisfactory to me, regardless of who his buddies are. (#110) Specifically:

Tom read focuses on the NL part before calling it null. Notes tom has opinions, doesn't have an opinion on the opinions.

font read focuses on her reaverb and Atum reads specifically. Defers a real answer till later. Doesn't mention opinion on Vaimes/me.

Delphine read is pure shade, focuses on how other people find her suspicious.

Calls out Jan for staying in RVS and not having a serious vote, while he doesn't have a vote down himself. Tries to question town reads. (#113)

Soft response to pressure. (#118)

Bad answer when Atum calls out his soft response. (#121)

Votes Bill for a bad vote, but takes a moment to throw some shade at me. (#216)

Agrees that the Priest must check the Lump target, but keeps his lump vote on his strongest townread (#273)

Overall, I don't like how he's interacted with the thread, his votes are all not good, he fits on a lot of teams, and his questions feel empty.

Also, the earlier wagon on him evaporated, and /both/ current wagon targets just dodged joining me on him, with less than 12 hours left. Both of those together means he's obviously town and I'm missing it, or he's scum that's widely townread enough that his less fortunate buddies don't want to rock the boat by bussing.

 

I read your latest thingys. Some of them are good to me.

The current votals confuse you as much as they confuse me, hooray?!

Is it even more confusing now that the two 2 wagons vote on a third person who is scumread by close to everyone in this thread?

 

Vote Count #2

Bill Door (4) KaiDASH, Weiyaoli, Fontisian, Sesc
Jan (4) Snowvon, Delphine, Tom, The Waco Kid
Delphine (2) Bill Door, Jan
Weiyaoli (2) Atum, Mallorean Thug
KaiDASH (1) Reaverb Tau

Abstaining (0)

With 13 alive, 7 is soft lynch, and 10 is hard lynch.

Lump, the Friendly Panda Elect #1


Tom (4) Fontisian, Sesc, Snowvon, Weiyaoli
KaiDASH (2) Tom, KaiDASH
Mallorean Thug (2) Reaverb Tau, Mallorean Thug
The Waco Kid (2) The Waco Kid, Atum
Bill Door (1) Bill Door
Jan (1) Jan
Sesc (1) Delphine

Abstaining (0)

Lump Elect is decided by plurality.

 

Hi, please quantify this. As in,

1. Who /should/ be voting Delphine right now? Like, they've expressed strong enough suspicion of her to justify a vote but haven't.

2. With that + campaigning, what would you expect a successful wagon on scum!Delphine wagon to look like? 7 names in order.

3. You said "close to everyone". Who are you evaluating as not scumreading Delphine.

 

Both made a strong point of the other being town. One of them doing it could be scum buddying with town but they can't both be doing that. Therefore if one is town both are.

 

Moderator Note:

Effective immediately (or at least once he gets the PM), Citrus replaces Reaverb Tau.

 

While I was mostly talking out of my ass with that statement (as in i did not check back on everybodys reads before making it).

People who openly scumread delphine :
Von (had her in his scumreads all game)
Fonti (didn't she talk about a possible flashwagon or am i remembering wrong?
Tom (saying that delphine is my partner while i am his highest scum suspect)
Myself
Bill Door

Haven't talked about delphine :
Kai - I do not remember a scumread of his outside the Bill door read.
Reaverb - has not talked after earlygame

I am unsure, need to reread :
Atum
Mal
Sesc
Waco
Wei

The point is more that not a single person has delphine in their town reads, i think. I don't think I have seen that happen to town!delphine in any game i played with her.


A succesful wagon on delphine? So you basically want 7 townreads if delphine is scum?

1. Bill Door
2. Jan
3. Fonti
4. Tom
5. Von
6. Atum
7. Waco

Tom got the #4 spot for a reason.
The others are likely town + Bill Door since he is already voting her.

But like that question is kinda stupid because I just name my townreads that scumread her and feel good about it.

You can exchange yourself in there if you feel like it.
I liked your case on wei and I am curious to where it goes (and what result wei gets when he is done rereading me).
He used a single word when responding to me earlier that I shrugged off as poor semantics (he talked about how faulty my "narrative" was or something like that, which inclines calling someone else scum without actually pushing it), but since your case looks like fun it made me curious to see his next actions.

Coming back to your first question. I don't think a lot of people "should" vote delphine. both tom and von have her as scum but are voting me, because they are either stupid or scum (in toms case).
Fonti has Bill Door as fairly high scum, but she also said :

Which means she does not have to vote delphine, but she might switch.

Most others have not commented on it.
Or I don't remember it as of right now.

This was a weird thought exercise.

 

lol, I'm not sure what to make of you comically misreading my tone here. Like, I can't tell if the complete failure to get in my head is scummy or just newbie.

And then it continues with this. I reread what I wrote, and its pretty clear. "Wanting to survive the night" is a reason to NOT want lump, not a reason /to/ want lump. Actually, lets ask a better question: Why don't you want me to have it? As far as I can tell, I should be in the sweet spot on your readwall for you to want to give it to me.

Check the time stamps, yo. I was still typing that post up and didn't see her readwall till after I posted it. When people have stale votes, "refresh" means specifically re-affirm that they like where their vote is, they've considered the alternatives, they like what who their wagonmates are, and they have no intentions of moving. Delphine did most of those things in her readwall + the followup I requested. Though, thinking about it, she's not done answering all that, and its interesting that you think she should be.

Ok, so:

If both Jan and Bill are scum, why should we lynch Jan first?

What scumteams do you believe in that include Jan and not Bill?

What scumteams do you believe in that include Bill and not Jan?

 

As addition to my last post :

Sesc has not mentioned delphine at all (goes into pile 2)

Wei had a really early slightest scumread on delphine :

After that they had a short interaction.
It is again a case of someone else is more scummy, but not townreading her as far as I can tell.

 

You're doing it wrong, and not actually considering how wagons work.

You /don't/ just name your townreads, you /do/ consider bussing, and you /do/ consider the other wagons.

Why do you think Von would join a wagon that's being led by you and font? Especially when he's pretty happy with the wagon he's on atm.

Why am I not on there, despite specifically saying that I suspect both wagons are on town?

Why do you think that there wouldn't be any scum near the end of the wagon to try to get towncred?

And most importantly . . . why aren't you already thinking about this so you can figure out who you're luring away from the other wagons. That's like, wagon campaigning 101. I mean, do you really think that a Delphine wagon will happen if you don't get Tom and Von on it? Are you really even trying to get a Delphine wagon to work, or hoping that font picks up the slack (since you specifically remembered she wanted to flash wagon Delphine before you started it)

 

Taking a short break from the Jan reread since thug seems to be around in real time atm:

I don't see that as being clear at all. You said "have I lurked enough that I can get lump and survive the night yet?" and then voted yourself for lump. The clear inference to me was that you wanted lump so you could survive the night.

I didn't vote for you for lump over tom because you basically disappeared after the start of D1, and then only now at the end popped back up with a few short posts. Is this not clear after I said I also liked Waco as an option because he was active and therefore likely to use it well?

Okay, my bad here. I didn't think to check the timestamps at the time and assumed you had seen the post before yours. But you're making an interesting assumption here:

Why do you assume I think Delphine is done with all of what you said above? I asked you what you meant by "refresh" since I didn't know.

 

/confirmed

Eww day ends today. I'm out and about, in a couple hours I'll have some nice quality time with my laptop and I'll do a speed-read. I'd appreciate if Noone gives me a summary of current events so that I am forced to read everything because lol

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Oh yeah, just checked my role pm and...
I'm the priest!

 

Rejected.

You're saying that font and one of her buddies wouldn't ever blatantly codefend. Even worse, you're not phrasing it as "I think that blatant codefending is outside of font and Jan's scumrange" you're phrasing it as "No scum in any game would ever blatantly codefend, its not a thing that happens, and assuming it isn't happening is logical."

I've lost to scum blatantly codefending AND I've lost to Font specifically blatantly codefending.

This also doesn't jive at all with your over the top font paranoia earlier. How can you think "Hey guys, I'm paranoid of font no matter what" and then turn around and think "Eh, font would never pull this specific gambit that she's pulled before to great success"

 

Good morning.
What is this building theoretical wagons stuff?

That's, like, the opposite of wagon analysis.

 

I jujst joined a game of dota .. will respond to you afterwards.

I think your questions where not received in any way or form close to what you thought they should get received as.