Calm down, I have never said that no one would date Ron. I merely pointed out that he would be a terrible boyfriend material and that a relationship with him would be difficult, because he often tends to give people silent treatment. This is a poor choice of communication strategy that rarely solves problems.

His behaviour is absolutely pathetic. He stops talking with Hermione after learning that she and Krum kissed in the past. It is hard for me to imagine a more stupid reason to be so butthurt.

The fact that Rowling made a couple out of them doesn't mean that I cannot say why I find it difficult to believe that these two would create a healthy relationship, especially since one of them is using a passive-aggressive form of emotional abuse so often.

 

The idea that Hermione loves Ron and wants to spend her life with him never felt totally plausible for me. Ron is pretty ordinary -- neither very intelligent, nor an especially great or courageous person.

 

More people with no or limited ideas of how relationships work, great.

 

Confused about Hermione+Ron

I personally remembered it being the opposite, as in Ron and Hermione had a hard time being around each other without Harry. Which, in turn, made me always a bit confused about the pairing.

I also was always a bit miffed at Ron's narcissism, it never seemed to work well with Hermione's nurturing, humanitarian, nature.

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Perhaps it's not that most writers can't write romance, but that in media and YA novels we've become so used to the angsty cliches that writer's have never gotten a good look at a balance romance plot.

Not to say that good romance stories aren't out there, just that they aren't as agressively advertised as their hackneyed counterparts. That and the fact that in the school systems it has become a sought after custom to over-work the classics and deter aspiring writers and readers from exploring further, deteriorating the foundations of upcoming writers of fanfiction and novels in general.

Also, the "tab A into slot B" comment is entirely up to each individual reader. Who knows, maybe someone out there enjoy's reading cardboard cut outs doing the deed.

 

There is a reason some people can't stand Ron. I mean, yes, Ron bashing in fanfics really make him worse than he probably is, and Ron bashing sometimes get out of hand. But people don't bash for no reason, or just for fun - well some people do, but that's not the point.
In canon, Ron abandoned Harry quite a few times, plus his jealous character didn't help him win a lot of points.
I might be biased, since it is ages ago that I read canon, but when I think back, what do I know about Ron? What was so special of this member of the golden trio?
And I answer: Almost nothing. Ron is a friend, not really smart, not really loyal, and not really skillful. So why him, and not somebody like Neville Longbottom, who showed excellent leadership, diligence and courage during the last few books.
Ron is good at chess. He has a family with rather poor financial and political standings, and six brothers, who probably outshine him in almost everything. He abandoned Harry during the Triwizard Tournament and in the Horcrux Hunting Journey, both times were unforgivable in my opinion. He is partly responsible for Harry's lack of studying and academical success. I guess, you can say he was a good Quidditch Keeper (although it took Hermione cheating to get him on the team).

So now, that we characterized Ron, let's see about this Ron-Hermione relationship. I just can't see why the brightest with in her generation would fall in love with this guy. Arggh.Granted, Hermione isn't flawless with her know-it-all attitude and sometimes wrong priorities, but seriously, she deserves better. Even in real life, why would you fall in love with a person the total opposite of you. With somebody you argued your whole life and would have never been friends with, if it wasn't for Harry...

 

Can we stop with this bullshit brightest witch in her generation bullshit? Lupin called her the brightest thirteen-year-old he'd ever met.

 

Have to agree with this, it's a pet peeve for me.

Hermione is smart alright but she is smart like that straight grade A student in your class she has absolutely nothing on prodigies like Dumbledore, Voldemort, Grindelwald and even Snape, Flitwick and Mcgonagall are miles above her in Intelligence for her age.

Hermione was never able to invent a spell like Snape, or tweak a potion, she wasn't published as a student in Transfiguration today like Dumbledore or did things with a wand some people didn't even think were possible or create a Horcrux.

Besides that quote is coming from Lupin, who probably doesn't know that many 13 year old girls and was said as a compliment after Hermione found out he was a werewolf after Snape taught them how to recognize one and Lupin was ill at every full moon it honestly makes it look like Harry and Ron have Down-Syndrom for not knowing that instead of Hermione looking smart.

 

Remembrer that Percy was a fucking beast in school, he obtained 12 O.W.L.S

 

Jesus.

Let's see:
Transfiguration
Charms
D.A.D.A.
Potions
Herbology
Astronomy
Divination
Care of Magical Creatures
History of Magic
Ancient Runes
Arithmancy
Muggle Studies

And without a Time Turner too. Dude was an animal.

 

Back to the topic of the thread, I think there's a feeling that Hermione is "too good" for Ron in some people's minds. This matters in fics, because the people most likely to hold that view in my entirely unscientific experience are female, and a surprising amount of ficwriters are female.

This circles back around to TheWiseTomato on the first page on how fanon regards Ronald Weasley, and Eidolonic unintentionally casting a light on how common it is to take fanon as canon.

Personally, I have no opinion. It's a canon pairing and thus popular, and if written well is as good as any other and better than most since Ron and Hermione as main characters have a bit more info about them for writers to work with.

My take on the debate about Ron being jealous or whatever is pretty much "Meh, you'd probably have character flaws too as the youngest brother living in the shadow of older siblings who also lives in the shadow of his best friend and oh by the way is a teenager too." Teenaged characters being retarded sometimes is... well, it's kind of accurate. They grow up as the books go along, and no fucking duh there's bumps. That's why it's a "coming of age" story.

 

Wait, how is that even possible?

According to this he took every single class and some take place at the same time even Hermione was completely exhausted with a time turner (which doesn't make much sense since she could just take the extra time for sleep)

Should we just chalk it up to Rowling trying to portray him as smart without thinking it through or did he just take the exams without taking all of the classes which seems really odd

On topic: Fanon completely changes the way some people perceive Ron, he is not my favourite character by a long shot but it's stupid how some people call him unreliable he often was willing to sacrifice his life for his friends and is all around just your average person except much braver.

Hermione is not too good for him but I personally don't see them working as a couple long term they seem to be to different and in the end would just clash too often. But stranger couples irl made it and end up happy and you can't really analytically tell what fits and what not maybe they balance each other or drive each other crazy they don't bother me that much as a couple. Lupin and Tonks seem much more bizarre imo.

 

I think the main reason why most people dislike Ron is because they see themselves in him.

We all like to think we're Harry; the leader of our group/squad, the "Special/Chosen One" who's destined for great things.

In reality, I think most of us are like Ron. The guy who sometimes gets annoyed when his friends do better than him, when the girl he has a crush on is with someone else, when he's frustrated by his own inability to excel at some stuff and living up to his family's expectation. The character of Ron may bring up these feelings of inferiority during some points in the series.

...No, I'm not projecting. Shut up.

I actually quite like the Ron/Hermione pairing because it reminds me very much of Percy/Annabeth from the Percy Jackson series; one of, if not the only YA romances that was done well.

For that matter, nobody can even write Ron well. I've always seen him as a Ginger Percy Jackson (Witty, not as smart as his female friend, a short attention span, etc.). Most writers are completely lazy when it comes to writing Ron. They'll use the word "Bloody" in at least every two sentences he uses along with the word "git" in every three sentences.

 

I'm of the opinion, and I hope I'm not retreading old territory like an asshole like I always seem to do on this forum, that it all comes down to year one. He knocked the troll out with club, using a spell that she more or less taught, that had been the very reason for contention. The chess piece sacrifice was a nice hero move as well.

Like, definitely by the end of book one she'll have reason to know he's decent at least, maybe she recognize even that early that while canon Harry by way of personality is more or less compelled to hero about, Ron is making an actual choice in the moment. When confronted by a troll, she cowered but learned what brave looks like in that moment. That's also the first time she lied to a teacher, come to think of it, and while i don't have a reason to think that struck a cord with Ron more than Harry, i like to believe it.

P.s.: I think I forgot a sentence where basically I say that she respects the fact that Ron seems to make that choice in the moment because she's always conscious of making that choice herself, making maybe the same choice every time since the troll, but a real choice none the less.

 

How being a female has anything to do with it?

But do they? Does Ron stop having his temper tantrums as he grows up? What is that exactly changes about him and makes him more mature in book 6 and 7 compared to book 1?

For those who think this relationship is ok. Stop talking to your partner for weeks, because of some very stupid reason just like Ron stopped talking to Hermiona after learning that she and Krum kissed in the past when they dated each other two years earlier and then, don't forget about things like kissing publicly in front of your partner with another girl/boy. After behaving towards your partner just like Ron behaved towards Hermiona share with all of us how well your relationship is doing.

 

Uhhh, since when were Ron and Hermione dating while all that was going on?

 

The frequency with which the idea appears in fanfics.

That should have been fairly obvious. As to why it's more likely the belief seems to be held to begin with: Fuck if I know.

He acquires some measure of self-confidence. It can still be undermined, but his insecurities are noticeably less apparent.

That would qualify as pre-relationship drama, not relationship drama.

 

Point taken, but it doesn't really changes a lot. Try to display this kind of behaviour towards your potential partner, where both you and he/she are clearly interested in each other. I wonder if he/she will still be interested in dating you after something like this.

 

Try going into a relationship with this philosophy of "any conflict, argument or disagreement is an automatic and instant dealbreaker" and see if you manage to hold down anything longer term than a one-night-stand turned one-weekend-stand.

Or better yet, don't, nobody deserves that.

For your sake I hope you're just grasping and looking for any reason to decry a "rival" ship and not because you actually believe it.

 

You're right that kind of behaviour is completely unpardonable. Its not as if Ron had the excuse of being a teenager, an age where people do stupid shit all the time... Oh wait...

Never mind that. He should definitely be judged for the immature moments that can be counted on the fingers of one hand instead of the steadfast loyalty, courage and determination that are the core of his character he displays throughout all 7 books.

 

Did you read my post? :facepalm Where exactly did I write that "any conflict, argument or disagreement is an automatic and instant dealbreaker"? I pointed out Ron's shitty behaviour towards Hermiona and asked people if they would treat people they like in this way. It should be obvious that my issue is with his behaviour.

Besides, there was no argument between Ron and Hermione. Ron got butthurt after Ginny told him that Hermione kissed with Krum in the past.

He has his better side, so what? Just because of that people should be obliged to put up with his shitty behaviour?