We're putting up with your shitty behavior, what's your point?

So, you think Ron doesn't 'deserve' Hermione because of the way he treats her and other people he likes. I bet that when you think of Hermione it comes to your mind stuff like reasonable, smart, etc. Harry is no idiot either. Therefore, if those two intelligent, reasonable people still want Ron's friendship, and Hermione thinks that Ron is good boyfriend material, why are you using your standards to judge their relationship?

Incredibly enough, the two of them will mature, and if they're still willing to date each other after some time, learn how to communicate more efficiently and deal with the problems that will rise from the clash of their different personalities and habits. You can't predict whether a couple will fail or not with just what you mentioned.

 

I believe I have not insulted anyone. Is my behaviour shitty just because I have a strong opinion?

Maybe he will mature and be able to build one, I even wrote this in my very first post in this thread. The only problem is that we never see it, so their relatinship may become a healthy one, but it's also very easy to see how it can become toxic.

 

Eh, it was just a joke. Besides, we did see it in the unfortunate clusterfuck that is Cursed Child. Ron matured and apparently had a stable relationship with Hermione.

 

Ron doesn't give people benefit of doubt and it leads to potential drama - for example during GoF. This doesn't make him disloyal or stupid - only difficult to convince and not always rational. Hermione have similar trait - she doesn't let anyone straighten her misguided notions like freeing house elves or expose her wrong. And Ron doesn't like to be sneered at (Malfoy ostentatiously stating his wealth?). It make them similar - they can connect in these aspect. Unfortunately, if they disagree, they butt heads (Quidditch, studying?).

Their common link is Harry and I remember them from canon as always bickering or outright offending each other. But people grow up and accepting love of Quidditch or obsessive commitment to studying/work/whatever is possible.

They're good match and I agree that they balance each other out. Or they at least could.

 

What is with this myth that Hermione butts heads with anyone over Quidditch?

 

Well, probably "butting heads" was too strong expression, but she doesn't share this passion, doesn't understand what is fun about that and thinks it's dangerous.

Little things like that:
"That's the trouble with Quidditch," said Hermione absentmindedly, once again bent over her Rune translation, "it creates all this bad feeling and tension between the Houses."
She looked up to find her copy of Spellman's Syllabary and caught Fred, George, and Harry looking at her with expressions of mingled disgust and incredulity on their faces.
"Well, it does!" she said impatiently. "It's only a game isn't it?"
"Hermione," said Harry, shaking his head, "you're good on feelings and stuff, but you just don't understand about Quidditch."
"Maybe not," she said darkly, returning to her translation again, "but at least my happiness doesn't depend of Ron's goalkeeping ability."

 

And yet she goes on to blatantly cheat to get Ron on the team. Seems to me like her happiness depended heavily upon it.

 

She is a big fan because of that, sure, whatever. And she certainly did it because she is interested in game. Ah, I forgot! It also help Gryffindor Quidditch team to have worse keeper.

She helped him. Does that make her concerned about Ron or game?

What is your point?

 

Because as we all know, there is exactly zero middle ground between "butts heads with people over Quidditch" and "is a big fan". You're definitely not being stupidly facetious and not grasping the simple takeaway that Quidditch has been and is part of their relationship and as per canon it causes her no issues to have a boyfriend that plays and enjoys Quidditch.

Canon Hermione has attended and cheered every mentioned Quidditch match in the books, and helped Harry see well enough to play. Canon Hermione is a fairly well adjusted human being that's capable of engaging positively with her friends' hobby even if she personally dislikes flying. But yeah, keep reading/writing your schlock where she turns up her nose at the mere mention of the sport and persuades Harry to hide away in the library during matches or some shit.

 

And Ron burns books because he dislikes learning. If you understand dislike as "actively hating and trying make others to also hate subject" that is what you get. But I get impression 'dislike' mean something a bit different. :facepalm

We are discussing Ron and Hermione relationship here. They get married and married couples often have joint budget. They'll have too deal with deciding what is more important - new broom, match tickets or some pragmatic investment by Hermione.

And, as you astoundingly discovered, they're functional human beings, so that doesn't mean there will be hell or even serious argument. Just problem. There are many couples that don't share hobby and it's OK, but having common passion seems better in my opinion.

 

People judge Ron a lot on how he behaves in GOF. The kid is 14 at the time, I can remember so many stupid, regretful and cringey shit I did at 14. He was a kid with a temper streak a mile-wide, it was bound to happen.

 

If every marriage in the UK depended on a couple's ability to liek the same sport then the human race would be near extinction by the turn of the century.

Besides, I feel like you focused on the wrong thing in this quote.

Judging by the quote, it's not the sport itself that she has a problem with; rather it's the tension that it has created between the houses. It's safe to assume that she would have no such feelings about professional level Quidditch where the players are a bit more level headed than teenagers.

 

I think a lot of people dislike Romione because they think Ron doesn[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]t [FONT=&quot]"[/FONT]deserve[FONT=&quot]"[/FONT] her and in their view she is nothing more than a prize to be awarded to the man they feel most worthy of her (Harry, Neville, Malfoy, Snape, etc. although when confronted with Romione evidence they will just try to sidestep them) which of course I do not agree with. Having said, I think Romione are actually bashed less than some of the other canon ships like Harry/Ginny and Remus/Tonks; note I don’t bash them myself, just stating a fact from what I can see.
Interesting in that I have found plenty of fanfics featuring Hermione not paired with Harry. Would you like me to recommend some?

Looking at the posts on this thread almost all of the comments against Romione is really anti-Ron. It also appears that many of the anti Ron/Hermione comments displayed ignorance about these two characters. There also appear to be a few posts where the poster even had wrong facts as [FONT=&quot]'evidence'.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I will address some of the most prominent arguments here. I know it is a rather old thread but I am frankly astonished [FONT=&quot]with the con[FONT=&quot]tents of some posts here.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

-Ron is jealous of Hermione[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]s academic achievements, doesn[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]t appreciate it and constantly try to put her down.
Ron has jealousy issues it is true. However, I cannot remember a single time where he was jealous of Hermione’s academic achievements or her brains (correct me if I[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]m wrong here), plus he was always the first person to praise her for her brilliance. There are lots of examples of this. He was also the first person to praise Harry when he got an ‘O’ on the DADA OWL. Do you need specific examples supporting this fact?

-Ron and Hermione marrying young and have children as Hermione is very career-driven.
As has already been said by others, Ron would have been quite happy to play the role of the supportive husband because he was not as ambitious as his wife. There is nothing wrong with him settling down as a businessman for the rest of his life and doing the work a housewife normally does if that is what he wants.
According to the epilogue in DH, their first child Rose was born when Ron was 26 and Hermione 27. It doesn[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]t sound like they had children young at all. As for marrying young, why is it a problem when they had more joy, pain and shared experience together than most married couples in real life?

-Ron and Hermione have nothing in common besides Harry and opposite attract theory does not work.
[FONT=&quot]They still spent a lot of time in each other's company when Harry was not around both during the school term and over the holidays when Hermione always met up with Ron earlier than Harry except for the summer holiday in CoS. They were also perfectly capable of having fun like during the Hogesmeade trip in PoA or doing something interesting by themselves like playing wizard's chess.
[/FONT] Funnily enough when Harry did not like Hermione nagging him or were having disagreements it was almost always Ron who stepped in to engage with Hermione, what does this say about their friendship? It certainly does not help with the [FONT=&quot]'theory' that Hermione's friendship with Harry is so much stronger than the one with Ron.[/FONT]
The fact that their moral values like bravery, loyalty and care towards their loved ones are very similar to one another is probably a lot more important than any differences in hobbies or intelligence level. Yes, I know the Ron haters on this thread will probably say how Ron is not loyal or caring based on a few isolated incidents but there are actually plenty of counter evidence that these people refuse to see.
Opposite attract theory works on a case-by-case basis and depends on the people in question. Some intelligent people wants to marry someone whose intelligence level is roughly the same as theirs while others like Hermione wants to be the smart one in the relationship as others have already pointed out. It is this simple. Not every couple need to have identical interests.

-Ron is lazy and unmotivated and immature (or we never saw him grew up).
[FONT=&quot]He passed his first-year exams with good marks (it's even stated like this in the book), he got the same marks as Harry in the OWLs except DADA where Harry had lots more practical experience. It showed right that he did put in efforts into his exams right? Sure he is not as book smart and did not study as hard as Hermione did but then who did? Also you did see how much effort he put into Quidditch practice especially in OotP even when he was thinking of quitting right? What was the result? He helped won the Quidditch Cup for the team. He turned from being mocked by the Slytherins into the hero of the team, that is pretty impressive growth.[/FONT]
Regarding Ron[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]s perceived immaturity. This might be an issue in the earlier books where Ron was quite clueless about his and Hermione’s mutual attraction toward each other which actually is rather similar to Harry[FONT=&quot]'s cluelessness[/FONT]. It is quite likely that by going out with a serious and studious girl Ron would have grown up as a result so it is not clear why is this such a huge issue. Just because a relationship started out as an infatuation does not mean it cannot turn into true love. In addition Ron DID grow up emotionally in HBP and DH so this was no longer an issue at the end of DH. In HBP he realised he wants a girlfriend who could challenge him instead of one who’s only there to flatter and snog him. After his breakup with Lavender we saw quite a few example of Ron comforting Hermione which does show how their relationship was changing for the better.
There are also the facts that he realised he preferred a girlfriend who does not always snog and flatter him but can challenge him, overcame his jealousy and worst fear by stabbing the locket Horcrux, worried about safety of house elves, took over as the leader in the Horcrux quest when Harry was obsessing over the Death Hallows.

-Ron is a bad friend to Harry because he encourages Harry to take risks.
Firstly, I am not sure what this has to do with his relationship with Hermione. Secondly, this is a distortion of the actual events where Ron does at times tell Harry to not go and take risks such as after their adventure with the Mirror of Erised or when he told Harry to not go after the Philosopher’s Stone. Finally, I am not sure why is it that allowing Harry to make his own decisions mean the same as Ron actually putting Harry in danger.

Just because you think he had a few jealous episodes that make him a terrible person and what you think back means nothing because the facts are all there printed in the books. Good on you for admitting your bias though, as a lot of detractors tend to think their opinion is the objective truth. However, I do find the fact that you claim only Hermione cheating helped him to get on the Quidditch team when he actually saved the five penalties all by himself despite his nerves so the worst he could do was TIE with McLaggen. Do you see the difference now?
Um, the fact he was willing to die for his friends multiple times is rather impressive and loyal, no? So what if he had one episode of jealousy (no, the DH episode does not count for lots of reasons) or are you under the impression that Harry and Hermione did not behave badly at all throughout the seven books?
Even if you don't value his sense of humour and fun (which I might add is really important to the trio as nobody else can provide it), please note he also provided with his best friends with lots of general knowledge about the wizarding world such as the squibs, the grim and the Beddle of the Bard. It was him who discovered the taboo on Voldemort’s name. He also had an intuitive feeling that saying Voldemort’s name was bad before he discovered the taboo). It was also his idea to use the Felix Felicis to secure the memory from Slughorn and him who found a way to break into the chamber of secrets to destroy the Hufflepuff cup so he might not have read many books but he was able to think on his feet and offer strategic solutions. He was also pretty good at duelling Death Eaters (as shown during the Battle of Surrey and how he was able to pull Hermione out of danger at the café scene after the wedding in DH). Is this enough for you?

Ron gave her the silent treatment once in the whole of seven books and you are saying this is how he operates normally. I seem to remember almost every time when Hermione said anything that Ron doesn[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]t agree with (which is actually far less than people believe btw I have a list of things that they agree on and it is VERY long) Ron would argue back and engage with her. Do you need some examples here?
You also seemed to have forgotten how much Ron cared about Hermione[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]s personal life much more than anyone else, how protective he was of Hermione and how terrified he was in DH when Hermione was being tortured at the Malfoy Manor and how he begged to trade place with her. Could you tell me your opinion on his behaviour here?

[FONT=&quot]As for Ron's bad behaviour, remember Hermione hid her relationship with Krum from Ron and never admitted she had a boyfriend, it must have made Ron wonder what else Hermione was hiding from him. He went out with Lavender because he thought Hermione thinks he is pathetic (remember when he did it, not when he found out Hermione kissed Krum but after Hermione told him he couldn't play Quidditch without help which is completely different). He was trying to move on with his life do you get it? Hermione was not his girlfriend at this point so if you could get your facts right that would be great.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yes, as an emotional person who is jealous of any other boy's affection towards Hermione Ron's actions were terrible and I think that was his lowest point in the series, but they moved past that didn't they? [/FONT]I believe we are talking about whether their relationship will work as at the end of the DH when both of them had already grown up a lot past this stage. After his breakup with Lavender we saw quite a few example of Ron comforting Hermione which does show how their relationship was changing for the better.

I got the feeling that this quote showed that Hermione care about Ron[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]s happiness. Note that the only time she criticised Quidditch was after she heard that Ron was doing badly in the sport.

 

This is something we have seen a lot over the course of the books, for example, in PoA he stops talking to Hermione after she told McGonagall about Harry’s new Firebolt out of concern for his safty and in GoF he stopped talking to Harry, so it was not the first and only time he behaved like that.

Wait? Why should Hermiona inform him about this? In GoF it was her personal and private matter that didn’t concern him and she was under no obligation to tell him. In HBP her relatinship with Krum was history.

How that changes the fact that he made it in a totally pathetic manner?

People already pointed it out and I replied here to this, so what is your point?

 

Alright I might have misinterpreted what you were trying to say. You said silent treatment rarely solved any problems (which I do not agree with which caused the confusion – I will explain below) and I thought you actually meant the instances where Ron went mad at Hermione without telling her why which only happened once in HBP. Obviously now I see that you meant all the times when Ron was mad at Hermione for any reason is that right?
If so, could you list the other times where Ron stayed mad at Hermione? This is because twice over 7 books does not mean a lot.
Ron did give legitimate reasons in PoA about why he was upset and Hermione knew them. Ron was upset in the Firebolt incident because Hermione did something behind his and Harry[FONT=&quot]'s back without even bothering to speak with them about it (even if there are safety concerns which I agree with is a legitimate problem, the least she could do was to SPEAK with her best friends about her concerns first). He was defending Harry against Hermione's interference, something he did frequently in the first six books as Harry could not handle Hermione's bossiness very well on himself. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hermione was the one being stubborn here and refusing to admit she could have handled the situation better. What was Ron supposed to do then? Pretend nothing was wrong even though he had good reasons to be upset? He is not a saint and I cannot see why displaying normal human emotion when sticking up for a friend whom he believe was wronged makes him terrible boyfriend material as you put it. [/FONT]
I am not sure why you included the fight with Harry in GoF in here because I thought we are talking about Ron and Hermione[FONT=&quot]'s relationship and whether Ron often gave Hermione the silent treatment. Remember his behaviour towards Hermione is rather different to that he displayed towards Harry.[/FONT]
You are also wrong about silent treatment rarely solving problems. Sometimes a silent treatment is actually the best solution possible to resolve a problem. A silent treatment might actually give both parties time to cool down away from each other and allow them think over what they have done instead of more rows which might lead to more fights and more harsh words being exchanged. It could actually lead to more rational discussions.
You also seemed to forgot that even when he was angry at his friends, he still cared for them alright like when he showed curiosity in Hermione[FONT=&quot]'s timetable during the Firebolt fight to the point he actively investigated it (or when Ron worried about Harry's wellbeing during their GoF estrangement if you want to use that example). Now compare it with Harry's indifference to the same information. Therefore the silent treatment you mentioned is nowhere near as problematic as you make it out to be.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yes, Hermione did not have to tell him anything although it is good practice to tell the boy you love as much as possible about your past life including the uncomfortable parts, especially if you are planning to enter into a serious long-term relationship with him. However, as a result of the revelation Ron had a reason to think that if Hermione hid this relationship then there is also a good chance she was hiding other relationships from him or she was not genuinely interested in him. It is irrational behaviour, but when it comes to emotions and romantic relationships teenagers and even adults can behave badly. Like I already said I do not agree with Ron's behaviour here, although I do think Ron had every right to politely tell her he was not interested in going to the party with her anymore because she was hiding something this important behind her back.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]He went out with someone else because he thought Hermione does not love him (yes, a stupid decision) and snogged another girl in public who actually seemed to revel in this kind of behaviour much more than himself. Could you explain why is this pathetic especially in high school where this sort of behaviour is rather common? Isn't it rather normal teenage behaviour as both Hermione and Ginny went out with boys while they actually had deep feelings for someone else? Sorry if you already explained it earlier as I cannot find it. [/FONT]

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Alright my point was that if they were not an official couple this behaviour is a lot less reprehensible then if they were sorry if I was not clear on it earlier. There is also the point that Hermione did not behave any better especially after New Year when Ron was trying to make peace with her and she kept ignoring him. As for the question you posed in the linked post here, the only person that gets to decide is Hermione herself and not any reader. She clearly felt that Ron[FONT=&quot]'s behaviour is not as bad as you thinks it is as seen by her amusement over the issue after Ron's release from the hospital. [/FONT]Yes, she had the right to break things off with him but [FONT=&quot]she still wanted to be his girlfriend because [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1) He learned his lesson and sometimes it is healthy to forgive others especially if your own behaviour is less than perfect and move past the issue instead of dwindling in the past. It will be difficult to find significant others if you require the other person to never make mistakes or behave badly. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2) Unlike what some people thinks, he has demonstrated a lot of admirable qualities which I will explain below that in her mind offsets this incident. Again, someone else might disagree, but it is irrelevant because only her opinion matters. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3) Their love for each other is enough for them to overlook each other's bad behaviour. Love does not work according to the rule that if you partner does something horrible, then you should not love them anymore[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Feel free to provide any evidence against these points from the novels.[/FONT]
I also noted you ignored my point about how caring Ron was towards Hermione and how they actually grew up from their fiasco in HBP so he is actually good boyfriend material in DH. There is also the fact how he comforted her when she was upset, praised her when she did something brilliant and was willing to put his life on the line for her multiple times. What do you say to that?
In summary: There are no doubts that both of them behaved badly towards each other throughout the course of the books. However, the power of love is for them to be willing to forgive each other[FONT=&quot]'[/FONT]s faults and focus on the positives instead.

 

I don't care, either way. I simply find the relationship boring.

The "old married couple, bickering" cliche has been played out in the media for the past two decades. I honestly feel indifferent towards it.

 

Yeah, it is true. My problem stems from the fact that Rowling didn’t bother to properly explain why Hermione should forgive Ron so quickly and give him a second chance so quickly. I really don’t understand where Hermione is coming from in this case. The sixth book looked like it was building up to their relationship being significantly cooled down and at the same time there was no build up explaining why Hermione should want to stay with Ron other than that she apparently loves him so much that she is willing to very quickly forgive him any shitty behaviour, because reasons.... Had she written the whole thing differently, I would not have minded, for example, if:
1. Hermione had broken up with Ron in book six and hadn't returned to him at the end.
2. Ron, because of this, had reflected on his behaviour and had started to change.
3. Hermione had given him a second chance after seeing that he had really matured and they had gotten together at the end of book seven or later.

For me something like this would be much more convincing than what we got.

Sure, but there are limits. People should have some self-respect and not let others to treat them in a such shitty way.

 

do i smell amortentia in the air?

 

No, you don't. That's the smell of bad fanfiction.

 

[FONT=&quot]She did not forgive him quickly, she stayed mad at him for over 3 months! During this time he has already been attacked by birds, being laughed at for his mistake in Transfiguration and that he was a bad Quidditch player (self-esteem issue anyone?), being told she prefers to go out with someone he absolutely despised, being given the cold-shoulder repeatedly. If that is not enough punishment, what kind of suitable punishments are you thinking of?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]First of all, true love is a very strong force like I already explained before just because you do not understand does not mean it is not there. Second, there actually are reasons why she forgave him which I already gave in the previous post. Could you explain why those reasons are either wrong or irrelevant or both? Third, could you tell me what is so horrible and pathetic about snogging a girl in public like I asked you in the previous post?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I would also like hear to your response to the following paragraph:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Finally do you realise that Hermione behaved just as badly right (I already listed her bad actions in reply to another quote in this post)?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Actually this whole process did take place over the course of HBP and DH. The only difference is that it happened over a shorter timespan than in your proposal. Hermione refusing to speak with Ron for over 3 months does count as breaking up.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ron actually did mature as I described in my previous post after the Lavender incident (do you want me to re-post it?). For example, he was always who comforted when she was upset such as at Dumbledore's funeral or when she was upset at having to describe how she modified her parents' memory before setting off for the Horcrux quest. [/FONT]

OK you exaggerated his bad behaviour and dismissed the reasons behind their reconciliation which I already explained earlier so I would not repeat myself (like breaking off an agreement to go to a party is not as horrible you want it sound to be which you failed to respond). Also you do know that holding a long-term grudge is rather unhealthy and petty especially in the middle of a war which is meant to show that these trifles are really not that important in the broader context right?