lol oh pho is apparently Vietnamese noodle soup; I never knew that. I was saying pho to shorten the word phone. But I'm glad I learned something new.

 

Don't be so hasty miner. It's a long drive.
But I'm home now. And once I wash the festival grime off I will be spending the rest of the night catching up on mafia games and tv shows.
It'll be dope.

 

Yeah I'm just gonna re-read from where I left off, game is getting away from me a bit.

Feels a little like it's trying to pull a hit and run on Snowvon here. Kinda gently orienting me towards thinking of Snowvon as scum without hard committing.

Kalas what's your current read on Snow?

Jan why'd you put Miner as light town - above me, even - when everything you had to say about him here is negative?

This I both agree with and like. I like the extra step Jan takes here where he thinks about what would have to be true for that to be fake distancing; it's the kind of agenda-less speculation that comes more often from town.

It's kind of hard to describe. He engages with the game a lot more as town, which is true of a lot of people, but with Von the difference is usually pretty stark.

Town!Von votes like this:

Scum!Von votes like this:

I mean it's not that stark, always. Reading Von is like... sometimes he'll be just obviously, completely town. I think for me that game was WH13 on FS, where it was like, page 1. Sometimes he'll be like this game, where you have town!Von pings and they kinda add up and eventually it's like... yeah, town. If neither of those things are true or become true he's just 100% Not Town.

Town!Von is like pornography. It's kind of hard to define exactly what it is, but you know it when you see it.

^ like that is a strong town!Von ping. It's kinda... fearless? Lack of self-awareness?

lol

ping mallorean_thug

Yeah, but the point is he'd be distancing from BOTH partners in a way that outs their fake interactions as fake. You just... don't do that to your mafia buddies. There's bussing, and then there's that. My point was that those interactions make tom/Miner/Vira a super unlikely team. The most relevant part of that being I'd proooobably hardclear tom if Miner flips scum.

Yeeeeah. The read kinda disappeared when Vira became confirmed scum. I'm not sure how much sense this will make, but it was the kind of thing that when I was reading initially was kind of a hypothetical "oh this might be unaligned" without too much weight. Getting hard information on scum!Vira though made it feel pretty insubstantial - like, there's a difference between a hypothetical unaligned and push coming to shove and it being like, okay, now do you actually clear this person? And that's not an interaction I'm comfortable clearing you off.

Basically it was a read that didn't stand up to the reality of Vira actually being confirmed mafia.

I think you're probably town anyway, but not for that. I'll get to that in a second.

Think you meant to say, "thank you, Newcomb, for saving us from 48 hours of a mechanical circlejerk."

Waiting is for patient people. It's like. It's Day 2. We've got 1/3 of the team. Let's go.

Trust me, this is my biggest problem as well. TDS was town, but I was pretty tilted that he basically blew up my chance to actually get into this game.

As for your other stuff...

I'm not going to say it was something I hard-committed to rolling into this game, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't in the back of my mind that my meta is in desperate need of some help. After getting blown up hard as mafia in Mimefia and Forum Apocalypse Mafia, I basically came to the conclusion that if I want to be an effective player, at all, going forward, that my town meta needs to at least have the range of non-#topposter#tryhard.

Make no mistake, I am not intentionally nerfing my towngame. You are getting my honest assessment of the game. But it's semi-intentionally (the RL busy thing is not something I can control) a different look. I'm taking more shortcuts and showing less work.

The fact that we got Vira D1 makes me feel good about not actually nerfing my game, and the fact that you don't have a solid townread on me makes me feel good about giving a different look - it's working.

Jan I'm not going to just randomly post "yep, just confirming that the thing I thought about owner yesterday is still true."

Like. I'd post something if I thought owner was dropping in my reads, like she was coasting or something, but I don't, so...?

...

why would you share your check? Like. What was going through your mind when you decided to claim, beyond just "oh well I might get speedlynched."?

I'm going to need quotes for the tom thing, as I didn't read that game. Tom's approach to Vira this game, gun to my head, seems unaligned as "pushing on your partner by accusing them of faking name-confusion at their partners" is somewhere between "wtf" and "how do you even think of that" as w/w.

I also don't think comparing Jan that game to Jan this game is suuuuper useful, since Jan was under basically constant pressure from page 2 or something, whereas here he's been more in the middle of the pack.

I'm kinda interested in the tom thing, since I know you've played with him more, and tom's the townread I feel most shaky about atm, and he /is/ falling off a bit today IMO.

Why are you okay with that? I wouldn't be okay with that.

If you're scum, then yeah, sure, bluff that you're unconcerned with your own lynch. But if you're town, you've gotta take the next step and realize that mislynching you is just furthering the scum wincon.

Like. I'm not gonna railroad you here. If you are town, I believe you can convince me and I want you to believe that too. It kinda sucks for you that Vira's treatment of you is the biggest red flag for me, since like - she's dead and everything - but if you're town just start shitting out analysis and thoughts and anything you can think of.

owner Miner had that post you pointed out yesterday felt genuine, and I agreed, and I've got a similar feeling here. Like - the way he's pushing on Jan here feels tonally town. OTOH, general lack of gamesolving, and Vira's post which I still think just reads completely like a bus.

Gun to your head - Vira/Miner/X?

Got a few more pages to fully catch up on, will get to them after dinner.

 

Quick response:
You had 1 big post at the time which was one of those nodding along posts by a player who is catching up.
Read slightly towny but your overall content was not enough to say you are town from it.

Miner had a few responses that felt towny/uncoached as i mentioned in that post.
Today the thing with him talking acolyte was another town point in that direction.

You were not higher because I do respect your scumgame enough to not give you too much credit for a single towny post.
The reason you got caught in the apocalypse game was because so many other people were obvious town, not because you were outted mafia, big difference.

 

Gun to my head. I take the bullet cause at least I know I'm going to heaven. I don't know where everyone else is going so I'd rather take the bullet so that no one else gets hurt. Either that or I talk to the person with the gun, out of the situation at hand forcing him or her to think through their actions and life and hopefully come to realize that they don't need to be point any guns at people. If they kill someone, that just adds to their suffering or torment later on.
(oh you were talking figuratively, um hmm let me think)

There's the Vira/Miner/Jan world, which I don't want to believe Jan of being evil.

There's the Vira/Miner/Newcomb world, which is plenty scary.

There's the Vira/Miner/SlipperAxII world, that one isn't as scary.

There's the Tom/Jan/Newcomb world, that one is pretty scary.

There's the Vira/Mal/Slip world; that one is alright.

There's the TDS/Jan/Newcomb world, which gives me the heebie jeebies.

There's the Vira/Snowvon/x world.

There's the Vira/fonti/Koalas world.

But yeah all an all, I'm still processing all the worlds while rummaging through the thread seeking out patterns and connections.

 

Yo, catching up in a bit.

The only thing I took note of on this page is that I am porn and miner claimed for some reason.

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GUYS SYLVESTER IS EATING THIS IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE BALL PYTHONS ARE PICKY EATERS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE BEEN MOVED TO A NEW HOME I AM SUCH A PROUD FATHER RIGHT NOW

okay back to rereading

 

This sentence is strange to me.
Like, its probably right for me. IDK about this game in particular, but I'm always comfortable/natural/whatever.
But definitely not TDS. I'm not gonna go find examples, but his bloodlust was on full display. The fact he wasn't hiding it at all was part of my townread on him.
So grouping us together like this when it's only true of one does not seem very genuine to me.

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Koalas/newcomb NKA
Decidedly talking about him as if he knows newcomb is town. I should check if he's townreading newcomb.

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thumbsup and some more letters

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LOL.
You know what doesn't make you need to reread again?
One of your townreads leeroying your top scumread and someone you profess to have no opinion of getting NKed.

This is fake.

 

All the time, I was asking him questions he didn't seemed worried. He wasn't flustered by my pokes or remarks directed at him. i guess you could some his remarks as being impatient with me asking a bunch of questions, but no one directing the fire at me. But overall, he held up under pressure. For example, it doesn't look like miner or vira holds up well under pressure. Sure, TDS isn't on your level of trickery or awareness, but I feel like he still could hold his own fairly well.

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This is you putting words in my mouth.

 

This is one of those posts that feels like owner cares more about looking town than being town.
Like, duh. Obviously we shouldn't get complacent. We all know that, even as we're doing it.

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Man alot of the posts I want to comment on while rereadng is owner being scummy.

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How so?
Did you not say you need to reread after nothing happened that should make you want to reread?

 

It sounds like you want to tunnel me.

 

Ok I can officially just read your posts and smile, as I no longer am worried about your alignment.

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I actually really do right now.

I'll give you til ~now to have preemptively posted something to change my mind.

 

That wasn't nothing. When someone dies, it's good to go back and reread the thread from the dead person's perspective. It gives you more insights, especially when the thread is looking a little dry. The more times you read the thread the more chances you have to pick up on something that you might have missed before.

 

Gross line of attack.

 

And what if nothing I say changes your mind? As you seemed to have been subtly but actively trying to get people to not believe that I was town like all day yesterday, I didn't say anything. But you were in the background pushing this way already.

 

Hells to the yeah.

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Then what did you learn?

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Was I?
I don't remember really having a read on you yesterday.

I'm actually quite surprised by how scummy I'm finding you this phase.

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Hmmm. Ok, I still need to look at the setup to figure out how a fakeclaim would even work.
But he certainly doesn't think he will be CCed here.

I don't like the mindset of "better claim before I get lynched"
Belies a guilty conscience.

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Hey, leave jan alone.

(still mindmelding with jan btw. It's freaking me out)

 

If I didn't share all the thoughts with the thread then the thought itself is either contradicting itself in my mind, or I'm undecided on which world I want to believe. Generally speaking, I'm in search of a pattern that makes sense to me. Sure I have ideas of different worlds, but I'm not to the point yet where one completely makes sense to me as being the reality. SlipperyAxII might find this ^ response to be scummy.

You were very firm about saying roleplaying is null, and my roleplaying in particular didn't give anything away about my alignment from where you were standing.

 

Come at me bro.

And yeah. The point of how I treated ghosting was faking my town game.
I did great.
I hope you have more than that behind this vote.

 

Okay I sooooorta get that. It just felt weird to list someone as town but then spend most of your time in their comment talking about them being fake and wanting to kill them.

 

Day2 vote Typhon

 

Uh, don't know what I ate exactly, but I'm starting to feel a bit queasy, so I'm gonna go to bed.

Sorry. Consider my posts today a PTAP; I have nothing after classes tomorrow and will make time for this game.