So, if I pressure you it's bad, and if I give you opportunities to prove yourself it's also bad...

What do you suggest?

(head -> desk)
(repeat)
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owner, how frequently do you get accused of AtE.
If anyone's familiar with owner's meta, please feel free to chime in.

I'm going to bed

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Interesting...

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Ok, really going to bed now

 

AtE, I've done as both alignments. (I don't role third party roles enough to add them to this grouping.)

 

miner11121
Thought experiment. Let's say the mod comes in right now and states "Owner is confirmed scum."

What would your read be on Prophylaxis then?

 

There's a mafia tell where the mafia tries to appease everyone. When you act nice to me, that's what I'm scared of. Or it feels too good to be true.

 

Can you back this up with more than just this sentence? Like why you think that, a time he's done it in the past, etc.?

I feel like common sense begs the opposite, but neither that nor what you've said gives me earth-shattering confidence in either direction

 

That would be bastard modding though.

 

That's still putting all our eggs in the 'mechanics' basket

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Owner. Seriously. It's a thought experiment.

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Can you elaborate on this while you're around? Have a thought experiment, let's say we all agree to sheep your lynch toDay. Who do you want us all to lynch? Who should we pressure?

You've basically kinda hand-waved most of the player-list, and don't seem to particularly care where things go from here as long as YOU don't die (per D1).

Like I don't even know how to interpret some of these statements. "Tinfoil Mallorean." "Mal seems to be helping here and there." Ok, so what do you ACTUALLY think of Mallorean? He's town unless a slight chance he's throwing the hood over all of us? He's kinda lean town but could go either way? He's scum trying to trick us all by being 'helpful' every now and then?

You didn't even justify why Zenzao is now "top town" for you.

Like literally the only relatively strong comment you made with reasoning is your read on Bill Door, and that's just echoing what you said at D1 end

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Still waiting for a response to this Jarizok

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Is Kai probably anti-aligned from Prophylaxis due to placing that vote (making the wagons tied up)?

Possible worlds:
{Kai, Owner, ???}
{Prophylaxis, ???, ???} - Kai town, Owner town
???

 

vote Prophylaxis

 

Considering you stated Proph is your tinfoil world, mind explaining why him as opposed to Miner or Fluffiness? Did you already look at Jarizok + Majube?

 

miner not with majube as he broke the tie and force majube to be the top wagon, but miner could always be with proph there.

The world I'm seeing at the moment is Miner, Proph, and Jarizok. If I'm right, Jarizok does not know how to make a reads list as mafia.

^^Meaning he put a bunch town in town spots and put his mafia partners in mafia spots.

Miner has been distancing one of Majube and Jarizok the whole game as he said since day 1; there's one between Majube and Jarizok.

But just now when kai voted for proph to make a threeway tie. Miner shifted his vote majube.

It's not really the end of the day right now. So why would miner feel the need to vote majube?

So hypothetically if we lynched Majube today and he flips town, we would always lynch miner the next day.

We would also probably lynch Jarizok as miner's claim read of there always being one in majube and jarizok would mean with majube flipping town. jarizok would always be mafia. plus, we probably lynch proph because of what kai said and because of miner protecting proph there.

Also it looks like right now from this world, that Majube has 3 mafia voting him.

Well, I'm still rereading, but since I lynched Delphine. I'm paying especially close attention to her posts making sure she didn't die in vain.

Plus, proph deciding to switch the cfd to delphine after he said he would be okay with being lynched over me.

If he doesn't go through with actually being lynched there, that's just him trying to claim town points.

So that's where I'm at.

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Also day 1 delphine pushed on miner. If this is a world, proph didn't miss an opportunity to get 1 town off of his partner's back.

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Also, if you take a look at miner's most recent list, he also has Jarizok and Proph on the bottom of his list as well.

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Out the 3 of them, I assume Proph is the most experienced out of them. (not sure if that's true or not) So we lynch him first.

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Also, I think this was miner's first reads list:

I doesn't look like his reads have changed all that much. Also look at him keeping drome's replacement in orange lol.

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ebwop *It instead of I

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Here's Majube early reads list. If he was with miner and Proph, he was town reading both of them day 1.

But it doesn't make sense for Majube to be mafia, as Proph and miner would be bussing him at the moment. It would make more sense to push onto Bill Door over Majube if he was the other partner.

But it seems more likely that the world is Jarizok, miner, Proph.

Or at least in my opinion that's the case.

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Here's a post where Jarizok is interacting with miner and proph.

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He tells people his intentions. *noted*

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Also, miner being so certain on day 1 that there's always 1 between Majube and Jarizok could be a slip in itself.

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One of proph's first posts into the game includes questioning Delphine's question on miner.

Aka, partner showing concern for partner being pushed or voted on.

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slight distance from partner?

More scum on scum interactions

So here are more relevant points to my case. In this post, Proph was asking me some questions in between saying that Jarizok was town. And then Proph was smartly putting Jarizok into place with two other town reads next to him.

*Owner starts happy dancing* as she keeps finding all these connections that link up miner, jarizok and proph.

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Proph calls Jarizok town.

^this is in response to jarizok asking proph if he's scum?

Here he then distance vote miner.

So in summary:
-Jarizok is reading both Miner and Proph as mafia or leaning mafia.
-miner is reading both Jarizok and Proph as mafia or leaning mafia.
-Proph is reading Jarizok town and reading miner as mafia.

I'm glad you guys left so many connections for me to find. (hehe)

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*wants people to comment on my case*

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Miner responds to proph.

Jarizok posts vote count

miner sees he's under pressure and vote distances with his partner.

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*wonders if I should keep going but would like someone to filler in between me and my next post*

I think you get the point.

I'll be back.

 

Sorry, had an unexpected job to do late into last night, just woke up. Catching up atm.

 

Hi owner.

I like the effort. I dislike the reads. Take my vote for Majube for example. I've stated since d1 that I'm okay with lynching either of them. Jarizok has continuously flown under the radar, and so far I've been the only one pushing on him. I'm assuming town's eventually going to come to its senses and look at him a little closer, but there's quite a few people looking at Maj and I want to see if my read was correct anyways.

If this makes you feel like I should be the lynch then vote me. But this just feels like more pushing without real basis.

Like, Delphine at day end wasn't pushing me at all. If Proph is scum, he's certainly not pushing to get someone off his partner. He's pushing to get mal off himself.
Citrus

I'd say 70% scum, 30% town.

 

mallorean_thug: Why are you pushing Bill Door over me, when you were interested in lynching me Yesterday?

Kai feels like the wrong! townKai that I've played with for a couple of years now. I buy his claim that he's town, and I like these posts:

I acknowledge that now after I looked over his posts again that his stuff is fairly easy to fake, and he could be pocketing me based off of my million townreads. But his style is really easy to PoE lynch/assume that he's scum until lategame, and considering that I got burned on that from Concussion Mafia I want to be able to read him better.

As for miner, he has a lot of tonally town posts. Stuff like the mind-meld and his pushing on Jarizok reads as genuine. Like, the post right above me (892) is very townie. Never lynch him IMO.

 

You realize that just makes him more fishy? But I agree honestly, some of what miners said is pretty scummy especially early d1 stuff.
Right now my for sure scum is Bill door and Prophy, next scum Jarizok since he's been posting way less, His fluffiness is also UTR so someone should push on him and finally Waco I really want to believe he's scum but he seems way less suspicious now. Everyone else is varying levels of town.

 

Majube

How can you possibly agree with Proph when he's townreading me, and then say stuff that I say is scummy???

What?

 

Meant *I agree honestly though some of what they say is scummy

 

So yes...

(shakes head)

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Like I'm assuming there had to have been a re-evaluation here(?) but I don't understand some of the transitions here. Does that team come primarily from interactions or do you have thoughts about them being individually scummy?
Citrus, agreed with you commmentary on owner's wall (#866) (Citrus' post is (#887)

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Does anyone else feel like they're seeing mirroring here?
Majube: So, you're hard scum-reading Proph'Drome (now), but you agree with him Miner is scummy, but despite the fact that you think Miner is scummy, he's not among your list of 5 people most likely to be scum?

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So how'd that go?

 

The more owner talks the less I want her to remain alive.

 

I think some of what miner says is suspect, but overall I feel like he's town. That's my read of it but for now he's kind of on the fence per se of my whose town/whose scum readlist, in that I think he's town but if he seems more scummy later he can and will rapidly go down on my list.