lol at how hard Math has pushed me this phase rip

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ugh ok

Typh 4 lock town 2k17 - operation complete

suck it y'all I had best townread

 

Jan is scum, vote him.

 

^ Miner

what he said

 

I guess people could talk about Jan spew while we wait.

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Not that he actually did much.

Ohhhhhhhhhh.

 

I did I did.

Sorry all bout activity this phase.

 

I really just had this ODD feeling about the way he so concretely put you and Fonti as town

Super easy for wolf Jan to post with pre-knowledge of those alignments to coast for towncred later.

 

Vote: Jan

I swear to god, if Typhon drops another wall about how I'm scum, I will vig myself.

 

You better fucking shoot me.

 

Hi, please shoot Tom.

 

Right?
I'm so over this top scumread since my very first post but no actual engagement or shooting me or seemingly any ability or desire to think critically wrt me.

 

Day2 Vote Tom Let's at least make everybody do some teambuilding before nightfall.

Jan/tom/Cobalt/Eco? hmm, that's not it because I don't think Cobalt and Tom are together.

Jan/Eco/miner/[Tom or Cobalt]. I guess this works. Seems uninspired, and like the game is too easy, especially for a game where we mislynched AND misvigged already.

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Like, the last couple pages of Math stuff seem town? I mean, they could be trying to go turn their town!typhon spew into clearing themselves if scum, and that seems like exactly the kind of plan they'd go for, but idk. Fails occam's razor. Note of course that I'm townreading them for the way they're doing this, not the evidence they're presenting for it.

Quiddity still seems to have the solving lack of guile thing going on. Obviously I'd reevaluate later, but seems fine for now.

Fluff read is meta and all of you have already heard it. I would like to point out that unlike several other people making that read, I actually remember the last time Fluff was scum. This is not that Fluff.

and I probably need to nail down both a better dlgn read and a better Eco read. But I'll lean more town on DLGN and more scum on Eco because DLGN just disliked my jarizok push on principle and Eco wants to do the old "Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, but then lynch him mercilessly afterwards" thing.

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Also Ecophagy, I've gotten lazy about doing votal analysis because:

1. Multiple recent games have had votal analysis be a bunch of work for nothing because of Leeroy activations, scum team routs, ect.
2. I've died N1 a bunch and gotten vigged at least once.
3. Votal analysis is only really useful on day3 with either multiple strong wagons to analyze or at least one scum flip.

Unfortunately, we won't have as much day2 info to look at here, but we do already have a scum flip.

 

You, sir, haven't given any reasons on me either.
At least no good ones.

Don't be a fonti.

I maintain that I still haven't done anything alignment indicative, and that is partially because fonti and miner made it so I never had to. I spent the vast majority of the phase just defending myself from terrible scumreads.

I did a little solving last night before bed, but it was totally fake able too.
No one should be townreading me right now, but scumreading me is just the laziest thing you can do.

You're better than this, thug.

 

Hi tom, what's the scumteam?

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Also, sure I can be. I definitely haven't been better than this this game though. You'll note that font's even considering vigging me instead of you.

 

Jan/miner/fonti/[cobalt/eco] makes plenty of sense tbh, but I will always hate that question.
It's just not the way I work.

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nah, you've been fine.
Fonti is just actively trying to kill as many townies as possible and people seem to be ok with it.

 

I mean, its a good question because its awkward for scum to answer it. Forces them to buss, forces them to talk about anti-alignments, ect.

Why do you think that font is both groupscum AND has another shot?

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AND is part of a 4 person scumteam.

Like, you can maybe believe 2 out of 3 of those things.

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Pushing a world where you believe all of them is part of why you can just be scum tom.

 

And that's exactly why I hate that question.
I'm always just gonna answer scummy people without thinking it all the way through.

Idk why scum couldn't have an extra shot though.
I've seen scum with one shot, odd/even night, a full vig symp.
I was even on a scumteam with an odd night vig, an even night vig, and a day vig. Though that game was twice the size of this one.
So no, I'm not setupgaming. But fonti isn't town.

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It makes sense that it's a question for the purpose of making scum answer shit they don't want to. It makes sense.
But for me, personally, it's much harder to answer as town. When I'm scum I've got such a complete built up narrative at all times, but now I've just got my thoughts on people's behavior and I haven't even looked back since finding out jan is peeked scum.

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So no, I'm not pushing a world where I believe all of those things.
I'm pushing a world where fonti is not town because she hasn't acted like it.

If shes got a shot tonight, it should be at me.
Actually, her not shooting me last night removed the last doubts I had.
I'm, like, the perfect vig shot when I'm not your top scumread.

Like, her reasoning was "tom's already confirmed scum so I shot his partner"
It's just hilariously awful. She had to know she'd be a wagon coming into the day based on jari's last will.
So she just decided to make it me v her AGAIN.
There is just no town motivation for that. It would have made it HARDER to catch my buddies if that's what she really thought. We already have wagon info on me.
So her reasoning was nothing but me being more lynchable than waco.

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So

Jan/miner/fonti 3 person team with extra KP (odd night perhaps)
Jan/miner/cobalt with fonti SK/hitman
Jan/fonti/miner/eco and it was a one shot vig that they used early just so fonti could claim it

It's just a bunch of setupgaming that says jan is scum, miner/fonti are scummy, and there's a handful of nulls that fit anywhere.

I don't think cobalt is scum with fonti or math
I don't think math is scum with cobalt or eco
Which kind of sneaks eco to the lowest of my nulls.

I guess there's a tiny chance of there being a townie in fonti/miner, but I'm not gonna believe it without a flip.

Is that better?

 

ew stop worldbuilding with me i was doing so good at being a universal townread

 

Quit fitting on so many teams then.
I'm not even scumreading you.

"Yet"

 

Hard to fit into world when you're blatantly town, though.

 

You managed to do it with thug, who is townier than cobalt by many orders of magnitude.