God damn it's a great film.

No other X-Men film even comes close to it as far as I can see. Some people have minor gripes with the plot, I'm cool with most of it, never really bothered me apart from the fact that in twelve years TV tech hasn't changed. The automated freight trucks were cool though.

One thing that did bother me was when X-24 was pinned to the machine and badly hurt. Logan knows what it is. He should have assumed healing power and done his best to dismantle it completely while it was pinned. Even an extra thirty seconds of hacking at the thing would have done it.

Laura was awesome. I'll admit I wasn't sure how I'd react to her but her character was handled very well. Broody but not childishly annoying.

What really sells this for me is the fact that I watched the first X-Men before it. I recommend everyone do this as it shows just how different Hugh Jackman is as Wolverine.

The standout thing about the movie for me is his performance. It's okay in X-Men. In Logan though it's masterful.

 

I just got back from Logan it was great best one in the Wolverine series.

 

Logan probably one of the best wolverine movie I ever saw it everything visceral action scenes powerful emotional scenes. Just an excellent movie.

 

I really loved Logan, especially the interactions between Xavier and Logan.

But something really pissed me off about it, and I'd like your opinion on whether I am being unreasonable.

So Logan goes to help the farmer fix the water, and then when the group of comically country white guys try to bully the poor black guy who is just trying to make ends meet, Logan hits the guy in the face and breaks his gun, while leaving them with the impression that the black guy hired Logan as muscle.

Is it just me, or did Logan just fuck over the poor farmer's life? Now the other guy is going to be embarrassed and pissed off, and escalate things further. Unless Logan decides to stay there and fix things all he's done is make the situation worse and make it happen at a time he's not there.


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Also, I can see exactly why they didn't do it, but I really think that it should have ended with Logan healing enough to survive, but losing the use of his legs and ending up in a wheelchair as a direct Professor X analogue.

 

Immet:

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Things escalated in the next scene. A whole bunch of them showed up to take revenge - it's just that a) X-24 had already killed the family and b) he proceeded to then kill all the good ol' boys.

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Immet:

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Things escalated in the next scene. A whole bunch of them showed up to take revenge - it's just that a) X-24 had already killed the family and b) he proceeded to then kill all the good ol' boys.

 

In a way I see the film as a kind of fanfiction. I've given up trying to figure out how it fits in to the fucked up timeline(s). As a bonus, thinking of it as fanfiction means I get to avoid being pissed off too much about how much they nerfed Wolverine and Xavier.

 

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Plus Logan probably figured that the hillbilly brigade would've been causing problems regardless. They'd clearly been going after the farmer for a while and gradually escalating their attacks to try and force the guy out. By that line of thought, all he really did was advance the timetable a bit.

 

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Pretty much this. They had just had a delivery truck run him off the road. And the scene at the pump was headed towards them shooting him anyway. The farmer was never coming out of this ok.

 

Immet: I guess what I was trying to say is that you seem to think that's a plot hole, or at least a logic hole, whereas it seemed to me to be something that was explicitly covered in the film.

 

Oh no I didn't think of it as a plot hole, more as Logan being a complete idiot about resolving the situation. And yes, it does follow on from Logan being an asshole who only thinks of the short term for getting Xavier onto the boat in the middle of nowhere.

I was more asking because I wanted to make sure it wasn't just me being overly cynical because the film didn't seem to comment on it and the black farmer didn't seem to react badly to Logan screwing him over.

I guess I'm still reacting in some ways as if it is a comic book movie when it's actually a Western.

 

Honestly, the farmer thing didn't bother me. If Logan hadn't intervened, the farmer would have been shot. Things were always going to escalate. I didn't view it as Logan being short sighted or stupid or recklessly. I just viewed it as him helping the only way he knew how. Directly, and with extreme violence.

 

I have a conflicting impression about the movie.

It is focused mostly on characterization which was probably the candy needed to get Jackman and Stewart making another X-Men movie after a lot disappointments with the last few by them. The most serious and brutal X-Men movie while trying to avoid being a X-Men movie itself. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets noticed the next oscars for the acting, as superficial they are.

But I felt the plot was quite thin and mostly secondary. It looked more like getting a road trip going and also say good-bye to the old cast. In the end the movie felt just plain depressing with no real fulfilled redemption angle more in line with the existing X-Men (movie) legacy.

 

Just watched it. Not sure how I feel about the ending, predictable as it might have been.

And yeah, this movie was never really about its plot, mostly about the characters which were great, but you can't just write the plot off entirely. Logan and Xavier's extreme nerfing and eventual deaths fell kind of flat to me.

I think Taure's approach of treating it like fanfiction is best.

 

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Violent lives end violently.

The key to understand the movie is how much of an tribute to old Western movies and their message of the End of the Wild West.

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(If the Shane scenes and the farmer scene that was more or less that movie in a few minutes with a more cynical ending).

Frankly, calling it fanfiction is a decent enough alternative, seems cheap though. X-Men is already a complete mess, and the comics vary so wildly that trying to give them a continuing logic is setting yourself for rage. Raaage.

My take is that this is all about the journey and it's inevitable end. Logan tries to run away. Charles keeps asking where they are and was manipulated. I'm also happy they didn't use Laura ridiculously over-the-top comic origin for no reason what so fucking ever just to be GRIMDERP.

 

It was sad but really good end to a character. I agree about xmen being a mess, they should have just reboot the series instead of time travel.