That is not a town post imo.

 

That's a frustrated with you regardless of alignment post.

 

If you say so.

Innocent people don't flail quite as much in my experience.

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Let's think through why you would be so damn frustrated with me.

I'm your top scumread, to the point that you are basically convinced that I will flip mafia in 8 hours. Everyone else agrees. There are no other competing wagons. Short of a miracle (fingers crossed), I am about to be lynched. Time to start throwing a party in the town hall! Two down, one to go, game is easy from now on.

You are in much better standing than me. At least one person has called you "confirmed town" in worlds where I am mafia.

This morning I tell Vira that I think if HF is mafia, my gut read is that you are the most likely partner.

Despite saying you are "not concerned" about this read and just "bored" and hoping I give you something useful, you take the time to argue with me about whether you should be cleared for some unproven bid you may or may not have made.

I, Rubicon the confirmed mafia, continue to spew you town by saying I disagree and think you aren't trying to solve the game.

This frustrates you so much that you start flailing and make a post that more or less amounts to "yeah well... some people lean town on me, so there!!"

Does this make sense, Koalas? Is that really your town thought process here?

 

This is so stupid.

Rubicon is clearly the person putting in the most effort today, but the game is also half dead, which is only good for scum.
And I have a shitton of trouble to get back into it right now.

Like .. I am trying to and after 5 minutes I will take every excuse to do something else.

And this is bad. Very bad.


Rubicon - if you have the time (if not I will just look through your iso later) - do me the favor and explain why you are that certain on your townreads.

Most important to me is Vira, because I had her as godo townread early on, but at this point I am waffeling and would like reassurance and if you are town and have her as lock town, then that should be easy.
If you feel like you said everything there is to say about her that is fine too, I can look it up later.


Also .. does it help you that I think Fluff is basically lock!town unless you are scum, in which world I can see you as scum with him?! (Based on his reactions to you and your case-building on him as a way to distance)

 

Yes I think you're scum. Easy game easy life. But on the slim chance you aren't I do want to pick your brain. You'd posted 6 potential scum teams and even if half are objectively wrong. You then went on to say you flat out wouldn't vote for 3/5 of the lean scum you mentioned. You also didn't vote for either of the remaining two.

Then 1260 happened which is the classic Cassandra gnashing her teeth/scum appeal to emotion split that makes you stop and think. So I prod you to do something. You throw some more theories up and still no vote.

I explain to you how, for D1 auction to play out as it did, scum!me would have had to knowingly and deliberately make awful decisions for zero gain. This is versus the confirmed time line that I purchased in which makes complete sense as town.

You then switch gears into mechanics don't matter/scum could play like idiots and only the guilty care about what people think. And still don't throw a vote down/do anything to save yourself.

This is why I'm frustrated. You're not doing anything to save yourself just crying 'woe is me'.

 

Dislike this post.

 

Koalas

I'll vote when I want to. Not sure why it's such a big deal to you.

My only strategy for "saving myself" is to search for scum as best I can. Hopefully people will notice that's what I'm doing and work with me. If not, they can reread my posts tomorrow and use the 2-3 remaining lynches to win.

In case you missed the implication, I suggest that the real reason you're frustrated is because you know you're going to look like shit in 8 hours. That's fine with me.
Jan

I will think about how to explain my Vira read. It's mainly focused on how she has developed her read on me, and that's difficult to put into words. It's still a serious read.

On fluff, that doesn't help me much because I don't understand it. As far as I can tell, your read is because you think he's genuinely detached from the game and his sheeping/etc. is town. It's possible, but this is not how I expect detached-town-HF to play, and I'm not sure why you do.

How confident are you on a scale of 1-10? You're proposing that he is mafia with me, so you must not be 100%.

I actually disagree that the game is still half-dead.

 

Sorry, personal life issues. I'm sure that I'll die tonight, but if I don't I'll be more active again D4.

We're lynching Rubicon. If I'm wrong on him, I'll take the blame entirely, but I don't think I am. If he scum flips, I really think the last is Nacho.

If he town flips, then Rubicon is on the level with his Koalas stuff (which I also found to be the case, on the whole). That doesn't make town!Rubicon or me right, necessarily, but that's where I'd start looking D4.

Gun to my head Tammitisian is town. I /think/ fluff is town. Jarizok is the person I'm actually wavering on the most, but I think his disappearance is frustrating but also more towny than scummy, probably? I was town reading him decently before.

Feel pretty confident about Vira and Jan.

 

Oh I didn't miss it. You'll notice I even commented on it. As for voting.. you do you. Delaying is scummy. Delaying until you know I'll be gone is scummier. But then you know that.

 

So you think I'm going to convince everyone to vote you after you leave and that has you on edge. Okay, that makes sense, in a scum self-preservation way.<br><br>vote: Koalas

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vote: Koalas

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This is a very positive thing to hear.

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Typhon, I need you to keep quiet so I can achieve #topposter status before end of day.

 

Thank you!

If I wasn't already town reading you, I'd town read you just for this.

~~~

I am very close to being completely caught up and bonus at a point where I know Nacho starts to become a bit more active so I'm hoping to get a feel for a read there. I've been kind of skimming here and there this week's posts so hopefully the rest of it will go quickly, but I need to take a breather. I will be here on and off until the end of day though.

Koalas - If you were sheeping Newcomb on rubicon, not typhoon, why didn't you vote rubicon before typhoon made his case?

Anyone - Does Vira always tend to sheep other people's reads or cases?

 

Does Fluff usually go lurker if his scummates don’t put in effort?

I don’t see why any scum other than Tom would outbid Doctor when they weren’t doing it to Hitman x2. I understand that assumptions are a bad thing, but it seems to me the most likely scenario is Tom giving town a final fuck you and taking Doctor with him.

I don’t see Kalas as over-reacting. You were upset that people were ignoring you, but now you want Kalas to ignore your discussion?

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By the way, I won't be here for EOD. Please don't panic-lynch a random person. See ya.

 

That isn't what I said, is it? I said Kalas is over-reacting because he cares that I scumread him. He's in a tough spot because either I'm lynched and he is in trouble tomorrow, or (as he seems to fear) people realize I'm town and lynch him.

Yes, he should be talking to me. His posts aren't consistent with the "bored and wants to see if Rubicon says something useful" angle he's pretending to have, though. It's just self-preservation. Probably not going to work in the long run.

As I wrote in my HF analysis yesterday, he has exactly one DLP scum game (SVM) and his partners were reasonably active.

It's more of a human nature read. His attitude is that he doesn't care enough about this game to put in effort. If he has a very active partner, he is letting them down. If his partners are at the Koalas level (or less active, like Nacho) then they have less justification to be angry with him for playing like this.

Is it most likely because it results in the best outcome for mafia? Is that the way this game works?

A week ago you were trying to convince me mafia don't plan things, you know.

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I'd say no, but it's not particularly out of character either.

 

I'm all caught up!

Think I'm gonna bid on the neighborizer and would like to get it. I'm sort of surprised how little most of you value that role as it's one of my favorite roles. My homesite almost never uses it and many there think like you guys seem to, but one of the first games at mafia scum I was in a neighborhood and so was scum, and I credit that neighborhood with me getting the game right in lylo.

Still feel good about the town reads I've mentioned up to this point. Hang on battery dying, finish in a minute.

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So Jan, Typhon, Jari are pretty decent town reads.

I don't think that Rubicon is very likely to flip scum here. I understand Typhon's case, but there are a bunch of little things that make me think he's not going to flip scum. Him thinking that Tom buddying him spewed him clear is one, but most of all is the way he's just kept plugging away at today. I know that people have said that he's been under pressure so he has too, but he's been the certain lynch for all of today, he has the necessary votes on him right now, and still he's still trying to figure out the game and damn is that one masterful show if he's scum. The only time you do that as scum is when you think you have a chance of changing people's minds, but he's been doing it and it hasn't been working and he's still not giving up.

I realize that there's really nothing I can do here either and that sucks too; I don't have the time and probably not really the confidence in that read or another read either. If I had my druthers I'd rather lynch koalas who I think has a way better chance of flipping scum here. the only only thing that looks townie from koalas is the hitman thing, that's it, and that's not a big thing in my book. I've been burned way too many times clearing people for things like that, that I prefer to look at play and by play he looks like scum.

Vira bothers me too, but I really don't see a world where koalas and vira are scum together. I'm not big on solely clearing people for interactions a lot of the time, but unless someone says vira is a ballsy scum player, I just don't think the way that vira has approached/interacted/sheeped koalas comes from scum partners.

I do *like* nacho's posts yesterday, but I read Nacho best by his interactions with me and we haven't had time to interact yet, so I've liked what he's said but no certain read until interactions take place. Waco was hard to place because for some reason I kept getting him and Tom confused, I know I have no idea why, but it was a bit jarring and I couldn't get a feel for him.

I have absolutely no idea what to do with his fluffiness.

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vote: koalas

 

I fell asleep.

Vote: Koalas

I need to get ready for work now but I'll try to get something in immediately before.

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I liked this post a shit ton from end of day, this is the post he made when he thought he was dead and it was immensely smooth and off the cuff if scum.

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And this should have been a huge wrench in the Rubicon/Nacho team because this is never ever a partner interaction.

 

Well you're voting the person I'm voting so that's a decent sign.

 

And I do think his solving and frustration in the face of today seems very genuine, especially when Typhon's/HF aren't at all considering what he's trying to say.

From what I've read (which is most of the game, minus the spurt of D2 I wasn't around for), the big picture thing doesn't really apply. I don't think Rubicon has been duck and covering more than a vast majority of the game and I think his later pushes to solve more than make up for it and would have made up for it already if people were actually reading what he was saying.

 

But you didn't comment which is boo.

I guess I'll give you a pass since you're heading to work.

 

Huh, I thought this was a joke vote but he left it there.

That's 5-4 on votes. The Vira/Typhon/Jarizok/Koalas/HF block is pretty firm in their convictions so I'm probably dead.

 

Lynch Vote Count 3.4

Rubicon (5): Vira, Typhon, Jarizok, Koalas, His Fluffines
Koalas (4): Jan, Rubicon, Tammy, Nachoamamma8

Not Voting (0):

Player Currently to be Lynched at Deadline: Rubicon

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