Hmm.

Vote: Nacho

 

I have more thoughts, but I want you guys to do some work as well and maybe react and all those fun things.

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Fluff - do you want to be known as a player that was read town for good reasons for once?

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In other words :
Why do you currently think Tammy is town?

Do your best at trying to convince me that Tammy is town, please.

 

That's actually a good point. Okay. Who do you think we should be voting for, Jan? Or are you waiting for more people to come back from the dead before saying?

Unvote.

 

Leaving hospital now, will get back to you tonight.

 

I wanted to wait with this until I get more from Tammy and Nacho because I don't have a strong enough feel on them one way or another

I have some thoughts and more anti alignments for people , but I am not sure on it just yet.

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The point here is that if I can clear one of Fluff, Tammy and Nacho, then we should just win the game.

We can lynch the other 2 and if that does not end the game then Koalas is always the last.

From my point of view there is always at least one scum in those 3 and there is a chance that there are two, depending on Koalas alignment.

 

Pros for Tammy: seems like they took the time to actually catch up. I like the general tone of the posts.

Nulls for Tammy: even given the replacement status there weren't any new thoughts. It all seemed very safe. The only thing that really caught my eye started by Tammy was the comment on me sheeping Newcomb and that wasn't exactly going counter the thread.

Cons for Tammy: So. Many. Questions. With zero follow up.

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Funnily enough me and Eido chatted about this over a year ago. Haven't broken bad habits.

 

I'm sure when I actually start posting today, I'll follow up on whatever pending questions I wanted to know and need to be followed up on. If you haven't answered the one I asked about the sheeping thing, I do want to know that.

And on that note, I'm very sorry I'm not going to be around today. I always think I can do more than I actually can, and there's a reason I don't play in games with short deadlines very much. I got stuck researching for a panel talk I'm giving on Thursday, and it took longer than I anticipated. Once I'm finished with that tomorrow, this game will be my priority. Or I'll just work on the research and the game concurrently, or however I'll just be here.

 

Welcome to the Day The Day Four (And Final!) Mid Day Update

The current winning prices for each bid are below;

Bulletproof x 1 $200
Daykill x 1 $500
Jailkeeper x 1 $1
Tracker x 1 $0

Just to be clear when an item is being hidden it'll have a ? replacing the price.

Any money unused after today will be rendered useless, please submit your bids inside your QT in bold. Winners of the auction will be notified upon day end, please remember bidding is no longer allowed within the last 10 minutes of the day phase. Also remember this will be the last day with a 96 hour day phase, it'll drop to 48/24 after today with majority votes causing a lynch then and there (6 alive, 4 to lynch, 5 alive 3 to lynch and so forth), message me if you have any questions.

Day ends in ~48 Hours of this post when that countdown link expires.

 

Sooo, as I sleep, does anyone want to pull a Kalas and admit to buying Hitman x1? If no one says anything, I'm going to assume scum (or Jari) has it.

 

Don't agree with this; focus should far and above be on lynching scum today and not on whether they can outbid on dayvig or not. If we lynch correctly (we need to lynch correctly), then scum can't win tomorrow (they can only put the game into MyLo, and bulletproof/JK can take us right out again), which means that our main focus should be lynching correctly.

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There's a lot of argument on how this specific stance makes Vira town or scum, but I disagree pretty solidly on it - I assume that it's a genuine stance because it sounds that way, but genuine stances on mechanics don't really have anything to do with alignment.

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I am unsure why this was such a strong reaction to Typhon's proposition that he'd neighborize Newcomb or Fontsian; sure, everyone lies everywhere but that doesn't mean that talking to them is useless...? Typhon also said "based on towniness" which means that he would be the most interested in talking to Newcomb or Fontsian if they were town.

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Noting this for later.

 

I have to actually restrain myself here.

Do you think Koalas is the right lynch if you are unsure about his alignment?

Like .. if you were 50/50 between Koalas and someone else, do you think lynching him is ever the right option?

The point I am making is that he should not be lynched unless there is a solid case on him. Make a case then we talk.

Disagreeing out of principle, while not actually having a real case is just pointless word spam.

Scum!Koalas can't win today. Lynching Town!Koalas almost always loses today.


Yes, the focus should be on lynching correctly (always), but you ignore the part where I mention the solid case, which is the exception to the rule of not lynching Koalas.
And I am fine with having a most likely right lynch today if I know it puts the game on auto going forward.

You have Koalas as one of your highest suspects, right? Then make a case that I cannot say no to.

 

Jan, why did you vote to elect Fontsian when the rest of your post was attacking her mechanics positions?

 

Fun with friends.

 

Don't restrain yourself; I'd rather you be honest as opposed to thinly veiling your condescension.

You're basically saying that we shouldn't lynch Koalas unless we have a solid case against him. But... we should have a solid case for whoever we lynch today, right?

Which, to me, seems far more useless and "word spam" than me pointing out that your approach isn't something that should factor into anyone's opinions today.

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Like, if I have close reads on Koalas + another player I'm going to lynch the player I feel the most strongly about because I'm trying to lynch scum, just like anyone else should be doing.

 

How many lynches do you have where people are like "yeah, maybe, sure?"
And then someone dies?!


I am saying such a lynch will not ever happen on Koalas today.

If people are full on convinced on the case and don't have another suspect that they want to kill as much, then killing him is fine.


So yes, that should always factor into everyones opinion today.
We are not even losing anything this way.

We always win if he is town.
And we can't lose if he is scum, because worst case we lynch a town and can go back to Koalas tomorrow. (Because the game is not Mylo if he is scum)
Or we lynch his partner and he basically can't win anyway.

I have trouble seeing anything remotly town in your perspective.

 

Such a lynch shouldn't be happening today, full stop. Everything else you're saying is nonsense.

 

Is this :
a) scum!Nacho fighting for his crucial misslynch
b) scum!Nacho distancing from his partner

c) town!Nacho having a 100% different approach to the situation compared to me
d) town!Nacho being sure Koalas is scum and being afraid I might save him

e) Nacho being insane.

e) is not an exclusive option.

 

If he's town, you're right, it's smarter to lynch elsewhere. There isn't town we want to lynch today. If we leave him for LyLo because we don't feel strongly enough about him today, then we'll end up lynching someone we're not as confident on and then we'll end up defaulting to him tomorrow, which isn't exactly the most lovely of situations.

If he's scum, then he won't win with a mislynch today. OK. So, if he's our top suspect, how much harder do we need to be scumreading him than everyone else in order to justify lynching him? If we think another player looks scummy by associatives, do we lynch them?

My point is that your proposal isn't a significant one; we need to lynch scum today. If Koalas is town, we want to read him as town and not lynch him because we're lynching him town; if we just put him off for lylo because he can't win today and then he ends up as town in LyLo then we're fucked.

 

Yeah let me see..

I am unsure who the scum is at the moment, mostly working with a PoE of towns.

Typhon was set on the Rubicon thing and now that Rubicon flipped town, I am almost certain his confidence in lock scumreads is somewhat shaken.

Fluff has not made a strong case on anything or anyone so far.

Vira has not gotten anything from her push/read of Koalas so far. Somewhat wants to kill him, but it feels like mostly gut at the moment.

Tammy has made 1(?) post so far saying she is busy for a little while longer.


So yeah .. if the 2nd half of the day continues like the first half started then there won't be a lot solid scum cases coming from anyone.
Not saying it isn't possible, but if the day continues the same way then what I said is very very important.

 

And I don't understand why your first reaction is to go that I'm scum or insane just because I disagree with you on this point; it's not like you're refuting my points (I'm asking you what use the proposal has if we should be lynching someone with a strong case approximately 100% of the time).