Simple: If the topic devolves into a flame-fest (which you seem determined on having happen) it gets locked. If the topic gets locked the legitimate discussion will likely die and turn into an IRC argument. All I did, Darius, was try to remind you all (gently) that you should be discussing getting Vash back -- not trading insults and acting like asses because it will get very little done in the way of reinstating Vash.

I by the way, am still waiting for a thread about Sera.

 

Someone should probably make one.

Seemed very patronizing to me, so I may have over reacted.

 

Hmm . . . meh. I don't think a buildup of mods or admins is ever good, and if Raven got bored of having tons of admins running around his forum (read: five, methinks), then it's obviously his prerogative to demote them. It sounds like it was all handled very nicely and politely in the admins only folder, and that this thread is, you know, meaningless.

 

To be honest; I can see why Vash was demoted; and this is coming from me without malicious intent. I always got the feeling that whenever Vash was whipping out weapons of bannage, Raven (and maybe Zev cause he's not normally around) would always be looking the other way.

Also, Vash has just sat back while he let some senior members do some unwarranted flaming; like for instance, Cady. Consideirng how in the three times I've seen Cady on IRC, some dude is calling her a whore in full derogative terms instead of bullshitting fun; its understandable. EDIT:But given that the other mods don't do anything either; I guess this might be a moot point.

Ignoring that though; one must admit that Vash has done a good job of keeping out the cockroaches and such from infecting the website.

Given that and the fact that he has donated a fair amount to the site as well; I reckon Vash should at least have Moderator powers whilst being watched for his moderating capabilities.

 

It's been two days since Vash lost his powers and I see no change in the general admin (locking topics, deleting posts etc.) of the site - everything is still working smoothly. Either Vash didn't do much of it, or the other mods have been able to take up his workload easily.

So you can't say bring him back on the basis of how much work he may have done, 'cos either he didn't do much, or the work is so easy that it doesn't matter.

You also can't say that he should be brought back 'cos of the money he has invested: members can't be seen to be buying power.

In my opinion, I think Neubus got the reason for Vash losing his power in the post above.

Vash can be a funny guy, but he's a bit too volatile and unpredictable, in my opinion, for being an admin. He can still be funny, still speak his mind etc, as a normal member: you don't need admin status to do that.

 

Vash wasn't voted in into his admin spot in the first place, so I don't see what leap of logic makes you believe voting can bring him back. Why would you actually WANT to bring him back is a whole different mystery.

 

How can you guys be so mean?! What has Vash done, I don't understand! He's like everyone else and he's even nice and he helps out and he's donated money which is more than anyone else has done. It takes money to run a site and believe it or not when an owner buys a franchise in basketball its his money that runs everything... salaries, stuff and basketballs... and its his money that helped make the forum what it is.

You just cant get rid of someone whos done more for the forum moneywise than anyone else, thats important too. And if you think about it why would anyone want to donate money if they didn't have some say in it? Executive producers get their name on the billing of the movie; they fund it so they can get awards - why would someone just give money if there wasn't some investment. Its pretty obvious vash was an administrator and donated money because he was an owner and felt somewhat responsible for it.

If you want to donate money for no reason than just because and you dont expect anything than ok but Vash was an admin and he's not done anything wrong. the pp3 thing which was really really bad was signed off by every administrator except Zevrillion (because Midknight even said it was funny!) and a lot of the mods laughed at it!

It was bad but everyone was apart of it! I don't see everyone being fired or being banned or being killed! And a lot of people are nice to cady and a lot of people are mean and it's bad but she isn't being nice either by lying that she wasn't involved when even the administrators say so and technically this thread is trying to show that if members are involved like Cady was then Vash would still be an admin!!

 

...It would take more than two days for anything to show. Raven could drop dead right now and none of us would know it for days a week even. We'd all just presume he was busy and others would pick up the slack. This site runs it's self most of the time. Threads get locked maybe twice a week and even then it wouldn't matter to much if they weren't for awhile.

This site could be run with half the amount of staff it has but it would just mean those left would have to work harder which isn't an option since no one gets payed to be here.

What will show is the attitude of DLP changing.

With certain members who will remain nameless (but we all know who they are) being little bitches and saying they will leave if changes don't happen. This is a shit way to run a forum. What makes it worse is said members are some of the most boring ones around. I can go to other places for stories or just troll through the favorites lists of others.

I come HERE for the attitude. The lack of anyone taking shit from anyone else (Not in good humor). The ZERO Tolorance for retards and up to this point whinny little bitches.

Vash had that attitude. The members behind the plot to get rid of him don't. I can honestly see this place in 1 year becoming like Mugglenet with just a fondness for Dark/Indy stories.

In the 2500th member thread people stated they worried what would happen to the site with this many people here and they don't want to lose the old DLP. I find that funny since they are the ones hastening the decline.

We don't all have to get along (Sorry Merrill) but as Larry Flint said "If you don't like it, don't read it" We all come here for fun don't take it so seriously.

I left to work 10 hours ago and apart from the drive to work where I thought if there would be any fall out from me calling a senior member a cock sucking bitch I didn't think about DLP once till I sat down here.

 

I wanted to avoid commenting in this thread, or any otherwise. But Its time someone said this who isn't biased either way. Yes Vash has gone overboard with some things, but he still did his job reasonably well as far as I know.

Also, if enough people start complaing that so and so are abusing power, it is rightful to look into it, Stfu. Where would we be if we let everyone walk all over us.

Noobz listen up, this site supposedly doesn't tolerate bitching for stupid reasons, not if there is a legement agrument. I dislike calling you noobz, but seriously, get your tounge out of the senior members asses. I've been seeing this going on a lot lately and its sickening. If the behavior of any one member is causing others to flee en' number from the forums it should be looked into and I would be more worried if it wasn't.

I think we don't really have enough information for me to make any arguments either way. But I do think this should have had more time to cool

 

I don't see the need for a vote concerning Vash though I think he ought to have his power back. Personally, it was a shock to suddenly read that he lost his power. One of the reasons I like about this place is it's near-zero tolerance for idiots. Vash does a very good job, along with Midnight, in keeping all those fucktards from spawning in this place. The act of removing Vash's power might give a lot of uppity bitches the idea that it's fine to whine whenever they're verbally jabbed for their idiocy. I'd hate to see the day when DLP is overrun with idiotic people whose vocabulary and brain pools are dry. Just my two cents on the topic.

 

I believe it was unnecessary to remove Vash's power, and wrong to do so without prior warning. Though I doubt he'd want it back if offered.

So he was stripped of his powers for that... WTF? Where are we, Darkmark? SIYE?

Seriously, I always believed DLP wouldn't care for shit like that.

Aaah, the good (old?) times...

 

Mm. o_o I was gone for awhile it appears. BAD WoW!! - whips -

 

I got no problem with Vash, or anyone on this site for that matter, but I honestly couldn't care less whether he's a mod or not. It's up to Raven and them, and the fact is, I rarely notice the mods anyway. The only time I can tell when someone is a mod or not is if certain other members start giving them handjobs in the middle of random threads.

 

Remember when you could get banned for mentioned the event-that-must-not-be-named(which I'm still not going to name, even though other members of the thread have)? Remember that this forum is based in the United States? Anyone remember the US Constitution? Anyone remember the first amendment to the aforementioned constitution? Anyone remember how the pirate bay is considering moving to a 1600 square foot barge to avoid laws against pirating? Ergo, until we make laws that prevent it, preventing freedom of speech is going against the first amendment, and therefore breaking federal law.

I am not a lawyer. If this is bullshit, call me on it, and I will change it with my humblest apologies.

Maybe Raven decided that it might be safer not to have someone on board who ignored federal laws like that. Maybe the much vaunted 2500 count would stop its current rate of increase if there wasn't any allowance for noobs, or if several authors threatened to remove their stories from the site. How many people found out about this site through talking to an author, or reading an author's bio page? Authors are the lifeblood of DLP. If the authors who people in IRC make fun of behind their back left, then who would stay?

Yay, rhetorical questions.

 

It's bullshit. You're misinterpreting how far the first amendment actually goes. Threats, insults, lies, etc. Few things are actually protected by it. But it's a fine line, and I really don't care much either way, so it's all good.

 

Okay, I looked it up on wikipedia, and here's the link:
Freedom of Speech in the USA

Note: the article suggests that the article does not give an accurate world view of American Free Speech, which essentially means that it's probably at least a little biased, so you can call bullshit on me here again, and I'll go through the trouble to actually look it up.

From the Freedom of Speech page:

On the limiting of free speech:

Until DLP becomes a state, the only things that can be banned are things that have already been banned in Raven's home state.

Edit: It has come to my attention that Raven and Zev co-own the site, and are in different locations. MS suggests that Raven has the servers and is in the U.S., and that Zev has the site and is in Sweden. I did a little more research on Sweden, and . . . (from the Sweden wiki page):

Can we assume that the Fundamental Law on Freedom of Expression states that Freedom of Expression is a fundamental right of any human? Ergo, even if both laws have to be together in order for anything to happen, they both agree on this point.

Edit2: Raven pointed out that this is all bullshit because we agreed to follow the rules of DLP. Thank you.

 

I'm not going to rave about federal law or anything of the sort, since I know very little about those; I'm not going to comment on what Vash did or didn't do either, since I've been around for a mere five months.

Therefore, despite my being insanely fond of Vash, I'll have to say that... I personally have no say in this. It's Raven's site, he certainly knows better than I do how to rule it, and while I'll miss Vash as an admin (dunno why... his name in orange was somehow part of his whole Vashiness) I'm certainly not starting to whine about how I want him to get back his admin position. I doubt a poll can sway the other admins' opinion, anyway.

That said... Well, I still hope he can somehow get his position back, in a few weeks maybe... But I don't think starting a micro-war about it is going to help. Far from it.

 

Actually Zev owns the server, as far as I know, which means its based in Switzerland. Ergo, who gives a flying fuck about a piece of paper in the US.

Also, a good portion of the member ship is from outside the US, therefore, why would they give a flying fuck, about a piece of paper in the US.