Regfan can you read fluff? (I'm not talking about his fluffliness; I'm talking about reading purely into fluff posts.)

 

i'm probably gonna be up late enough to livepost with Australia and Delphine.

Regfan writing literally everything on his mind continues to pain me, regardless of his alignment.

 

Do you sheep people often or does it depend more on the people who are playing with you?

 

Newcomb - Looks like I've not explained what I'm getting at re; the Jari read properly then given you're not the first person to struggle to understand where I'm coming from with it, I'll give it another go and address your concerns with the read then. If you're around I've posted my Vaimes read which I think is priority #1 for you to address if you can.

@Fluff - $20 seems low for a tournament win of anything.

owner - The implication of the orange part is that mafia would post a strategy they think is suboptimal out the gate which isn't something that'd happen given the negative attention it'd obviously receive, you thinking that was a possibility is hard to fathom. For the yellow, it's more a case of "Not seeing the town motivation behind the posts" than a playstyle concern and with the green if there's deeper reads/reasons than what you shared previously I'd love you to go into them for me. As for "Reading Fluff posts", no I'm not particularly good at that.

Vaimes - Didn't ever realise you disliked me doing that? I'll try and condense it I guess?

 

Sometimes I read Kai's posts and think "That's something our true hero TwoPrimes could have posted!"

 

Perhaps I am the hero we deserve.

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So you think if he was a witch he'd be trying harder?

I mean, you can think that but...

Not really. I'll let you know if I find something you might believe.

The problem isn't that you're not explaining yourself clearly, the problem is our assessment of the posts differ.

 

I mean you can do it.

The desire to skim posts is directly proportional to how long they are.

I don't think I ever read a Sloth post from start to finish except when we were scum together.

 

The things you're dinging her for seem kind of like. More narrative-y than actually digging out a scum motivation? Also what is the bolded referring to?

So, Fable fakes a breakdown in thread, his partner Koalas immediately comes out and says it "deserves an Oscar," which is simultaneously both good and bad. What agenda do you think Fable's partner, Koalas, had with that post?

Because I'm kinda not seeing it. Unless you're trying to put Koalas right at Level 0. And, yeah.

Sorry man. If you're town here, it's probably more of a me problem than a you problem.

This might seem trivial, but what search phrase did you use to bring up that GIF?

 

So you thing koalas and fable are not w/w?

 

Meh. It's barely worth mentioning. The whole "best odds of D1 lynching fonti yet haha" thing felt like a joke that he'd be a little self-conscious of making as mafia, and the banter with me about TH/WH felt kinda the same way, like if he was a witch and knew I was town then some little hint of that caution/carefulness would seep into his posts.

Pretty much how I feel about Miner now FWIW

Regfan

Disagree with the "entertaining the possibility of you two distancing" thing feeling off; considering Vaimes' history with fonti I buy it as something that entered Vaimes's head there.

Everything you're townreading him for makes sense, I just think you're missing the real crux of the issue, being that Vaimes' initial spar with fonti about Miner was just.... kinda out of his scumrange.

This will make more sense once you've played a game with scum!Vaimes.

With the standard caveat that anyone can fake D1, one day Vaimes will definitely fool me, etc etc etc.

Like, yeah. "He feels comfortable" is kind of like... enough? Certainly enough to give him a D1 pass.

I'm ready to be dazzled.

It's on the lower end of my not w/w associative reads, but yeah. Would be mildly surprised.

And with that I'm officially CAUGHT UP.

 

Problem I had with it was he was referring to Rubicon/Myself, I hadn't commented on Rubicon whatsoever at that point and Rubicon made one mention of having a scum read on me so it felt like a thought that'd came out of nowhere.

Fair. I think he's probably town here but aren't at the 'lock' level yet. What's your confidence level on him being town with 10 being positive on it? If it's anywhere around 9/10 I'm willing to just drop this topic and move on to players that are actually likely to be scum here, speaking of with 5 scum players inside the game what's your main focus pool at this point? I feel pretty good with Miner/Fluff/Owner/Rubicon/Jan containing a bunch of scum so far.

 

Alright, quick and dirty D1 triage:

Atum
Cobalt
Delphine
Fable
Fontisian
His Fluffiness
Jan
Jarizok
KaiDASH
Koalas
Miner
Newcomb
Owner
Regfan
Rubicon
The Waco Kid
Vaimes
Vira

Atum, Vira, and Vaimes are consensus enough and I believe in those reads enough that we're essentially never lynching them toDay.

Vira and Vaimes for reasons I've gone into, Atum because I have a complete lack of respect for his scumgame, and since his entrance didn't resemble a garbage fire, he's probably just town.

Regfan, Jan, and fonti are also never getting lynched toDay.

Of those three, I have lightish townreads on all three, but some fairly large doubts / concerns.

Jan I'd normally put him in the category of someone you needed more data on to really read well, but given recent events I think he should be more readable here. Whoever said it's different because it's a WH might perhaps be on to something. With Jan it's like... I kind of want to get to town on him, but I know I want to, so I'm not. Or something. That made more sense in my head. No interest in lynching toDay, but kind of uncomfortable that I don't have a strong read here. Waiting for that bolt from the blue.

Fonti's playing a slightly more active game, or she was, now she's dropped off a bit. I've pretty much given up trying to assess fonti via tone; her actions are what matter. When I said I'd be townreading her from Obs, what I meant was that if I'm just following a game lazily I'll sometimes just clear people for getting to a large % of reads I get, when I get them. The timing of fonti calling Vira/Atum town and Miner a witch matched a lot of my thoughts at the time, so... it's a plus for her, but certainly not anything close to clearing.

Reg I'm actually a little worried about. Whoever talked about his meta tilting towards niceness as scum, like. That's kinda been Reg in a nutshell this game. Pretty much just not rocking the boat. I have kind of a reverse-Jan thing here where it feels like I'm trying to get to mafia on him to make up for initially misreading him in JPM, so I'm trying to be aware of that bias. I think one thing he did recently that for the first time I thought "hm, that seems like it's certainly a real thought" was his hesitation / embarrassment reading Vaimes. It's one of those things that makes so much more sense coming from town!Reg here. Like, if he's a witch and Vaimes is town, I don't think he even fights that read as much as he did? And if Vaimes is /with/ him, then he'd just be rabidly townclearing him I think, capitalizing on Vaimes's good start. No, it feels a lot more like he's actually just kind of... well, embarrassed, a little that the game's like "lolVaimes, obv town" and he can't /quite/ get there.

So that's definitely a good sign from Reg, in my mind.

Not as confident as I'd like to be there, but, well. That's mafia.

These got kinda long, will break this up so people have a better chance of reading them.

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1) Seriously? Can you pull up that quote for me, I was positive it was about fonti/Miner distancing.

2) Ehhhh. I'd say 8/10? Maybe 8.5? Like, play this game 100 times, I'm wrong on Vaimes here maybe... 15 of them? Ehh maybe 10 of them. I wouldn't "lock clear never lynch in F3" him, if that's what you're asking.

 

For 1) Here's the interaction that it happens in and 2) Fair enough I guess? I'm probably around a 6?

Spoiler

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Your Jan and Fonti reads and reasoning are pretty similar to mine which is good. I also find your read and reasoning on me pretty understandable, I think some paranoia of me given Jurassic Park is pretty understandable and the point on the Vaimes read isn't exactly wrong, I feel like I should be able to confidently read him here, particularly after some comments I've made to Eido about Vaimes being a free read.

 

A. Aren't you some veteran player though? Or am I confusing you with someone else?
B1. Why do you say it is suboptimal when it was your words to being with?
B2. Are you saying that we shouldn't be trusting you?
B3. If that is the case why are you...C1 Why is it hard to fathom?
C2. Why would you think mafia would post a suboptimal strategy? Wouldn't it be much more beneficial to post a good strategy?
D1. Why do you think they would want to bring unnecessary attention to themselves?
D2. You say they would post a suboptimal strategy, but then you contradict yourself and say they wouldn't do that. Which is it?
D3. And if you think your words are suboptimal why is that important for us to know?
E1. Do you ever see a need for a townie to play scummy?
F1. I did explain my reads on Delphine and Jan a little bit more..*owner is not sure if you saw that or not*
G1. I'll keep that in mind, though I'm not sure if that will help you read me.

 

Alright, so that leaves:

Cobalt
Delphine
Fable
His Fluffiness
Jarizok
KaiDASH
Koalas
Miner
Owner
Rubicon
The Waco Kid

Lynching Cobalt when he's a zero posting loser is a terrible idea. With any luck Eido will sub him out and we'll get Acio (PLEASE. YOU KNOW I DESERVE IT EIDO)

Delphine has done enough to be out of the D1 pool here, even if I'm not as sold as other people are on that read.

Jarizok and Rubicon I don't really want to lynch toDay. Like, I'd call both of them slightly >rand scum to me right now, but... idk, I've been specifically wrong on them before and turned it around (or not had the chance to turn it around). I just want more time with them and I don't feel like either are so strongly scum that I want to push it hard.

Koalas would be rrrrriiiight on the edge of the pool for me. Don't really have any interest in him toDay, and I feel like he's kind of... well not mislynch bait exactly, but. Meh. I should probably try to firm up this read, it's not even really a read.

So.

Fable
His Fluffiness
KaiDASH
Koalas
Miner
Owner
The Waco Kid

Miner we've been over. Holding pattern.

His Fluff is, you know, just kind of doing that His Fluff thing.

Kai feels slightly like he's buddying me. I've agreed with his mechanics stuff, and I've agreed with his pushback on Regfan's Jarizok read, but that little exchange when I asked him to give reasons and he went, "not really, I'll let you know if I find one I think you'll believe," felt like a slightly offbeat pocket attempt, like he wants to keep me on Jarizok and he's talking to me like he knows I'm town. Idk, thin probably.

Owner I think has a pretty decent shot to be mafia here. I just... see a real lack of genuine solviness. Especially in contrast to some of the other games she's played here.

Koalas I talked about.

Waco's approach has felt narrow in scope, and in particular his little comments on me have felt entirely inauthentic.

I'm not sure if I buy Fable's frustration/breakdown as real or not. Well. I mean yeah I buy it as real, I just am not entirely sure where it came from. The angle he was repping was just running into a solid wall of DLP cliquishness, and while if I put myself into the head of an outsider I can see /some/ of that maybe, the degree to which people seem willing to work with him / engage with him doesn't really match, at all, the exasperation he's repping.

Think shotgunning into that group has good odds of hitting 2+.

Overall, the game feels pretty consensus-y. Which is very good or very bad.

Vote: Owner

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Hrm. I can kinda see your point, now, actually. It's.. not out of left field, exactly, but it seems a bit more thin than I was remembering.
Vaimes, what made that thought pop into your head?

 

Wow, you don't know me at all. Good try though. :claps:

 

owner - 1) Can tell English isn't your first language so I'll try and run through this as clearly as possible; I'm not saying the play was suboptimal; I'm saying you thinking that Jan was scum reading me because of the plan means that you must have thought that scum posting a suboptimal strategy intentionally was a possibility; and I've already explained why that's hard to fathom. 2) No, I don't think there's ever a good reason for town players to intentionally be scummy and I've read your reasoning on Jan & Delphine and find it to be very weak, I need to see more actual thought process from you and reads on other players because you focusing on things like this does not look like genuine scumhunting at all.

 

Are we reading the same game? Like I'm catching up and people are making the same posts I've been making but they get V read for it and I'm getting wolf read for it it's fucking ridiculous.

 

Can you give me an example of what you're talking about?

 

Newcomb - Think overall our biggest read differences are on Jari, Fluff and maybe Waco? Outside of them it's more a case of just having differing read strengths on Vaimes and Delphine as town and I'm much more confident on Miner being scum than you are and a lot less sure on Owner, that said I obviously still have to read through Fable at some point but I think your assessment of the situation there is decent based on what I remember of it.

Don't think a whole lot will come from talking about Waco give my town read on him is super weak as is your scum read there. Do you have zero read on Fluff at all because I went into my scum read on him earlier and it's a read I feel decent about here. I'll probably make a post about Jari later since while I know Kai says he just disagrees with the logic in it it's something I feel like I've got a lot of thoughts on that I just haven't put down properly.