Miner stating effectively no read on Waco inside Post #1146 and that being the first time he mentions him (Outside of clearing something up for Plotless) isn't great, him stating he'll reread him but following it up asking people to explain the read in Post #1214, agreeing with it but then still calling it not AI in Post #1325 is hard to follow although the reasoning in the rest of his post about why he preferred Jarizok first is decent and the follow upin Post #1327 is pretty understandable. Think Miner looks significantly worse if Jarizok is actually town here and makes much less sense as mafia if Jarizok really is mafia based on him trying to re-direct the shot to Jarizok there. Outside of his interaction posts I still end up with a weakish town read on him at the moment.

@Pie - Green is completely null, which is where I have Kai at the moment. Go to bed, we can talk tomorrow (if get here before deadline), if I can't I'll leave where I'm at pretty clearly, I am sorry if I'm wrong on you though (I'm not really interested in lynching you today if that's any consolidation).

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(Also in case it wasn't obvious, I was never interested in actually lynching you at daystart, the vote thrown down was meaningless given with Vaimes's shot votes reset and we were never really lynching before the shot went off - just voted you and focused on getting Waco shot since he was my strongest scum read.)

 

@Pie --- I guess I'm used to my own scumgame where I pay a lot of attention to stuff like that.

Still, I get the impression Cobalt would be a little...less aggressive by default? Like my read of Cobalt's behaviour has been "if this is scum behaviour it's well calculated to be aggressive without attracting the lynch too much". Which feels weird with that level of thoughtlessness.

 

I'm don't think miner would feel comfortable asking for a case on a partner like this?

 

I'm think you go to bed you drunko.

 

Was the case on Waco good or thin at that point? Scum generally only ask that question if:
- They're trying to bus, or
- They think the case on their buddy is legitimately not attractive and asking for it will let them say "I'm not convinced" (see: why I suspect Q/Jarizok coalignment if Jari is scum)

 

Wacos read on Q inside Post #233 makes sense him town reading a stronger partner earlier on or him attempting to get town-cred and buddy up to Q. The fact that it follows on to become one of his most talked about town reads and that he really doubles down on the read in the Acio/Fable conversation in Post #574 and Post #577 and even more elaborated in Post #591 and Post #750 feels more like him white-knighting a town player rather than linking himself to a partner so strongly.

Q similarly town reads Waco in Post #627 and openly states he doesn't get the Waco reads in Post #1180, openly asks him not to be shot in Post #1186 and again really hard defends him against Pie in Post #1322 (Really don't think Pie/Q are W/W for what it's worth anymore).

Not impossible that as scum Waco/Q decided they'd hard align and try and sell it as a play they wouldn't make if one of them ever got lynched but that doesn't feel like a winning move since the focus would likely always circle back to them, more likely that Q's just town here but the fact that his progression of his earlier reads still bugs me. The Zenzao push and his play post-shot feels a lot more genuine and reads much more town; can see him believing everything he's posting there. Think overall I'm somewhere around a weak town read on him? Man, this is a read I'm really not sure of though.

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Spoiler

Vaimes
Acionyx
dichotomousCreator
Fable
blab
Cobalt

Fontisian

Q
Miner

KaiDASH
Stanari

Jarizok

Still to sort;
pienyan
Zenzao

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Okay, I'm heading out to a party, I'll do the last two when I get home.

If you're still up waiting Pie, go to bed, it's ridiculously late there.

 

Good morning.

I have the competence.

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Vote Jarizok

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Oh yeah, I'm in a QT with font. She's been more active there.

Reg swayed me more onto Waco than she did. Which isn't to say that she tried to talk me out of shooting Waco, just that Reg was crying about Waco and Q and I looked at votals and sad that Waco was my only non-townread on Plotless when he had seven votes.

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Also I have no more shots and am vanilla now. Mafia should leave me alive since I'm no longer a threat.

 

Okay, now THIS is interesting. For starters it might explain why font has been quieter in thread than expected (along with font's medical dealie, of course)

Other than that...it seems to point to Jan's check being "one townread, one ???". Probably font because knowing font's alignment is valuable. I don't think trying to speculate on font's alignment given this is particularly useful though.

 

There was the possibility of Jan thinking I'd be able to motivate her into posting if she's town.

idk if scum!font puts more effort in a QT with a town PR who's marked for death when she could be participating in here and getting townread for it.

 

The QT started daystart, right?

 

I'm kind of awake but having a hard time processing so many wall posts. That being said...

Vote:Zenzao

Just no. Waco flips wolf and zen wants to vote with me AGAIN but I'm still in his wolf reads? This is not a person who cares about figuring out alignments in this game. Anyone who still can't see he's a wolf is honestly blind af and needs to reevaluate how they play.

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^This probably means I was too hasty on Q btw.

 

It was a little late in getting sent to me, but p much Daystart.

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I've been thinking about reconsidering on Zenzao.

Don't have time to read his wallposts in full rn.

 

And jari probably? Game probably gets way easier if zen is a wolf.

 

Why you ask?

 

I wanted to know if it could have informed the NK and if I needed to reread Jan<->fonti to maybe get a clue on fonti in either direction.

 

Village
Vaimes
Acio
dC
Reg

Lean Village
Cobalt
Stanari
Q
Blab
Pien

Null
Jari
Miner
Fonti

Lean Wolf
Kai

Wolf
Zen

This seems not correct unless I'm super good and It's zen/kai/and one of the nulls for the last wolf after that.

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There is a part of me that wants to believe that miner and fonti could be w/w and fonti is trying to power that through to a f5 but I don't know if that's realistic but the idea of it is adorable.

 

This is a large part of why I'm town reading her, I don't think as mafia she makes the play of trying to pocket you hardcore by posting inside the QT rather than here with things as detailed as to what she's let on when she'd be aware that you vouching for town reading her isn't going to do a lot post-death. I think if she's putting that level of effort into the game as mafia she's doing it here and trying to give herself the best chance of end-gaming as possible by squashing anyones hesitations with her. I just don't really see much scum motivation behind a lot of her play, especially so if both Jarizok/Waco end up being mafia.

Wacos largest post about Zenzao is Post #758, I can see the response being about a partner too, it's all very...soft a response? Zenzao has Waco in the fairly nullish tier in Post #285 and keeps him in there in Post #534, he hits my experimental scum tell inside Post #544 when commenting on Wacos Pie read. I think his huge over-reaction towards Fontisians post (while subsequently not reading it properly) in Post #1281 and the complete lack of reaction towards that when Fonti points it out makes more sense as scum. His "analysis of Cobalt" in Post #1345 isn't really analysis at all here? Like there's no real points put forward about anything, it's just a lot of weird stances re; who defended who and town read who, relaly don''t understand the point of any of this post and the conclusion he's come out with when stopping reading at post #200 is pretty ridiculous. 
His "why are we voting Q" in Post #1349 at 1;01AM to stating he's skimmed and is fine with it in Post #1351 at 1;03AM is pretty hard to see coming from town; having just done huge walls on Fable/Jarizok/Cobalt and stating he's not feeling great about me to voting Q there that quickly doesn't really feel natural since I don't think the post he refers to (#1322) is a smoking gun and it's a huge post so for him to skim it in that time does not mesh. Q's point about the weird way he's treating Jarizok as both town and scum in Post #1398 is a huge scum-tell.

I think I feel pretty good about both Jarizok and Zenzao being mafia?

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Fable - Pie shouldn't be in your town reads. I also think this is a really unlikely avenue for Fonti to take.

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I'd be pretty happy with Zenzao/Jarizok wagons going into EOD.

 

Sorry but I've kind of liked pien's posts? If she's a high effort wolf then fine I actually welcome that and I'll reevaluate if I need to but she seem's villagery enough to me, certainly more so then the bottom 5 in my reads.

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I have no idea why that apostrophe is there and it bothers the fuck out of me.

 

Waco moves off of pienyan to Plotless, but then gives Plotless soft cover via agreeing with Vaimes on "Stan" not being a huge scumtell.
Meanwhile he says nullish things about Jarizok, he doesn't have the time for Zenzao's Jarizok thing, he thinks Jarizok might be unaligned with me, then less so.

I think that makes Jarizok!scum more likely, rather than the opposite, but it's not as strong as I'd like

 

We should kill both Cobalt and Kai at some point.

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Unvote, vote Zenzao