I was kind of expecting Jari to finally put forth some effort into his scumread on me if he were actually town, but whatever this is has pretty much sealed it for me.

Also, stop with the whole "I never want to play with you again until you check yourself stuff" b/t you two Regfan pienyan

If you're town, well, to quote Rubicon from last game, that is how town eats itself.

And we're not lynching outside of Jari today.

 

Fonti is town. Stop scumreading her.

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That was hilarious, Kai. But I'd rather something more.


I'm actually finding Pie more genuine in all of this. Sure, her EoD2 was bad, but Regfans wasn't much better.

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By which I mean his ISO, not the actual end. That part did look good.

 

Something I also want to bring up is that *if* there is another scum left after Reg, I think it's probably someone in the town reads. Assuming another scum in the game, I don't think Reg would be so openly... well, suicidal... about his push on me unless it was just done with the intent to play a short-term game. This means that given the possible directions he could take after the situation re: him and me became serious, he most likely just intends to make sure the lynch on me (and Jari if Jari is town here) are 100% secured on his way out and give the remaining scum a better shot at endgame.

This applies if 1. Jari is town, or 2. there are five scum in the game. Based on the sense of balance I'm used to, I'd actually tend to lean towards four scum, but I'm calibrated for MS standards which are a lot more town-sided than here, so I'm not really going to guess.

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Also Jarizok; if you're town here you should probably be paying attention to some of what I'm writing here for the sake of your own analysis instead of just survival-voting me and hoping that's the gamestate we're in (it's not). Also try to get on the Miner read ASAP, since that very much is a possibility I'd look into if you're town.

Not that that matters since I'm probably going to be dead soon anyway, but w/e.

 

I try, sometimes.

I was briefly worried that JEB! memes are no longer hip, but it seems they are still EXTREMELY TREMENDOUS.

 

I'm going to make this one post addressed towards you Pie, and then I don't intend to interact with you again this game; I would appreciate you do same in reverse. I shouldn't be having to feel guilty for having a scum read on you here and it's moved me from a position where I was happy / enjoying the game with two scum deaths in a singular day phase, having a good idea of one if not two more mafia and a huge amount of confident town reads to well, not enjoying this game even a little. So lets not ruin this game, yeah?

You're completely miscategorised my treatment of you throughout the game; I went into D2 with a scum read on you but a) Knew that I could have been potentially misreading you and b) Knew that even if you were mafia there was still at least several others which is why I didn't want to focus on back and forths and interactions on you because in a game this size that's anti-town and a waste of both energy and time. Instead I spent my time actually attempting to resolve my incorrect reads inside the game; you'll notice that I spent a lot of time there sorting through my D1 town reads and dropping several of them in strength (Cobalt / Miner dropped in strength) if not completely (Zenzao for instance) as well as attempting to sort the players that I'd not put enough focus on throughout D1 -- this is where I actually got a strong town read on Fable, scum read on Waco and scum read on Q albeit I think the last is incorrect now.

Fontisian went into the issues with your "The way he ended D2 was bad" stance, it's one that doesn't make sense; as mafia I just control Zenzao inside daytalk and not care even remotely about whether the day has an extra ~24 hours or not but I didn't want to win due to mafia spewing the entire game clear and it being "well, you won but only be mafia gave it to you". As for me wanting to speed it up D3, my stance was and is if everyone agrees the names inside the town pool are all town and thinks Jarizok is mafia then we're just going to be twiddling our thumbs for a few days; if people think that one of those two things aren't true then I'm willing to talk and converse about it.

You know me well enough that I don't stick my fingers in my ears and go "lalalala", I provide reasoning behind exactly where I'm at and if a flip occurs that points towards my reads being incorrect I step back and reassess, I currently have minimal reason to do that. If Jarizok flips town, then sure, I will but I really don't think he is here. As for your "emotional posts", it's a weak spot inside my game that myself and almost everyone that's played with me is aware off and I've been attempting to move and more and more away from reading into those posts so yours here did nothing to change my read on you, nor will it but the fact that you were at least attempting to put forward effort towards the game rather than Jarizok who's pretty much openly wolfing is largely why I shifted my vote back towards him here.

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DC's & Stanari's interactions on the last page about the Pie wagon read very town ftr.

Not really liking Miners whole "Lets use the whole day phase!" v not actually doing a whole lot himself and pushing the stance of "We're only lynching Jarizok here"; I don't disagree with the second stance at the moment but don't really see it meshing completely with him hard taking the first one.

 

I'm using the day phase to a) try to stop you two from blowing up the town, and b) figuring out the scenarios post Jari's flip.

 

Sure, a) What in particular makes you think Pie v Me is TvT and b) What have you figured out so far.

Happy for you to take your time answering both; I'm heading to bed anyway.

 

For all the people telling me there's no way Fonti could be a wolf I recall people telling me I was crazy and biased for thinking Zen was a wolf d1 as well.

Remind me how that ended?

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Because it's kinda really fucking bizarre how anyone can think the way Fonti is handling this Reg v. Pien stuff is villagery in any way whatsoever.

 

Do either of you want to provide meta proof of this "pie is manipulative scum" claim or what.

'Cause like.

Lying about past game would be ???, unless you both just have wildly different interpretations of them.

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I'd LIKE to think that lynching mafia is enough to clear regular people, but font and Reg aren't regular people, so.

"Trust is for the weak" is my read on them at all times, in any game, forever. I'll townread them when they're dead and flipped green.

 

This is not good reasoning this taking advantage of someone else making a meta read and sheeping it and seeing as how I think that meta read is incorrect it looks really fucking agenda-y.

 

Anyway, for game-health reasons I'm coming around to the idea that the whole Zenzao thing was a scum ploy. Zenzao knows better than to purposefully fuck over your team.

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Vaimes
Plotless
Jan

Acionyx
dC
blab
Fable
pienyan
Stanari
Quiddity

font
Adult (Miner)
Jarizok
KaiDASH
Cobalt
Regfan

Zenzao
The Waco Kid

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Feelings. Ish.

Man, I'm having horrific visions of "let's have Zen pretend to slip that Q is town to clear him!" God.

Need to actually reread Zen's earlier posts.

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Also I'm gonna stop posting in the QT with font because I need my own headspace.

 

Man what else does Acio need to do to get him the tier with you and jan?

 

Vaimes; Swag Wars, Perfect Cherry Blossom and Badass Women are things you should skim.

I kind of hope your most recent reads list is you trolling here.

 

?? I never said you and pie was TvT. But I'm pretty sure that you and pie aren't SvS. In which case I'm telling you two that whichever one of you is town (or both) stop doing what you're doing.

b) I'll get to this one later, I'm heading out now.

 

Reg how the fuck does one of the first things Pien does being calling out Waco's progression on her make any fucking sense as a wolf?

 

It's one of the first things that made me look at both her and Waco again; elaborated on it at the start of D2. It's her typical way of interacting with a partner, something she's conceded is true.

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If you're not certain that it's TvT then you really shouldn't be trying to stop it happening altogether, just the way it occurs and I've made it pretty clear I want to keep this thread as clean as possible.

 

Die?

tenchar

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The only thing you'd oppose is the placement of you/Cobalt (old news) and pie.

 

And the placement of Jarizok? I also have Fonti higher than you do and Blab slightly lower atm.

 

Again?

tenchar

 

Oh, they're not ordered.

Was lazy.

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I mean, it they were at one point, but then I started moving names around and just didn't bother to reorganize it.

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oh my god Acio was Night killed

I'm shame

I was literally sitting here thinking "boy Acio sure has dropped off" jesus christ