I think people still have questions for you.

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Like it really says something that Reg, who has been defending you all game, cannot see where you're coming from as town here.

 

Like, look at the setup. Who is scum roleblocking? A "oneshot doc"? A oneshot dayvig? Just a BG? A neighborizer? No. There's a point to having a RB and a backup RB and its not for a bunch of oneshot roles and a bodyguard. Fucking COME TO YOUR SENSES.

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I can't answer questions til I get home later. I can only try to keep up and add on the fly things as I'm working.

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Reasons why I'm not scum:

- Zenzao tried to STRING ME UP on day two.
- Tracker is the best fit for this setup because there's no reason for two RBs with two oneshots and a bodyguard. I'm not counting Kai because he's lying about his oneshot doc claim.
- THE TEAM IS PIEN/KAI/STANARI OR PIEN/KAI/BLAB. K THANKS.

 

Unvote, vote pie

eh

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I'm over this Day phase, we can feel silly if Cobalt is scum toMorrow. Guilty is a guilty, and it's not xylo so we literally have nothing to lose unless pie is a super top-notch PR that scum really want mislynched, which she isn't.

 

vote:cobalt

 

I think I prefer Cobalt lynch today.

 

This is another post where if he knew I was confirmed scum, it simply makes so much more sense for him to direct focus back to the Reg/me situation here, not let it get directed away elsewhere.

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And this post.

If he knows I'm apparently confirmed scum, this just makes absolutely no sense to make.

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I'm actually reading now.

So Cobalt was being *ran up* due to his other claim being bullshit, and changed his claim around to "tracker, I have a guilty on pie"???

This shouldn't be any question, because that shit should be obvious,

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Hi. Can people explain exactly how they're getting "Reg/Cobalt" unaligned from all of this?????????

Thanks.

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Why is it being assumed there are five scum in the game?

It's almost assuredly only four. And Reg continuing to just flat assume five for the sake of backing up Cobalt's claim and condemning me, even after Cobalt clarified that he wasn't sure how many scum were in the game or not (i.e. didn't have it as info) is gross as hell.

 

I believe Reg when he says that if they were aligned he could have thought up a better claim for cobalt. Also trying to back it up this strongly if they're the last two wolves is practically throwing, there would have to be three wolves and the third would also have to be deep for that to even begin to be feasible.

 

The argument that "Cobalt wouldn't fuck his claim if Reg is on the scum team" isn't good. It's the same as an "if I was scum I would have killed X" argument - it relies on you being able to unconditionally convince your partner that claiming thing X is good or bad. Cobalt very easily could have just changed his claim without discussing it first.

I also don't think the argument that "there are five scum because Cobalt-scum doesn't say there are five scum unless there are five scum" is all that great. I think there's a possibility Cobalt made that claim with no intention of getting to endgame, and just doing as much damage as possible to misdirect people before endgame happens.

Reg's #2453 is also just... disgusting and you people need to think about the actual motivation behind what he's posting. He's basically saying but not outright stating, passively aggressively implying in that post "there's only one course of action for town-pie and that is just shutting up and buying my 'not aligned with Cobalt' reasoning and being a nice good girl". It's a preemptive maneuver that when I come back and continue to push him, it gives him free reign to push me, generate noise and take Cobalt's side in Cobalt/me which almost assuredly gets lynched today. It's all positioning. You people need to fucking lynch this after Cobalt flips scum.

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I got ninja'd, but it looks like the above post answers that anyway.

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*gets me lynched today

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I think it's four scum mostly just due to game balance. One of Reg's earlier posts touched on this, but there's not enough power in the game for five scum (this is 100% more the case given Cobalt's claim is fake). And the easy answer for what this means for Cobalt is that his original claim of "there are five scum" was just a lie to begin with, no matter whatever reason he had for doing it.

 

I think siding with Cobalt is the hill I'm willing to die on.

 

RWBY Mafia Votal 4.9.

Cobalt [5]: Blab, Stanari, Pienyan, Reg, Fable.
Pienyan [4]: Cobalt, Font, Kai, Vaimes.
Reg [1]: Miner.

Not Voting [1]: DC.

With 11 votes alive, it will be 6 votes to soft lynch and 9 votes to hard lynch.

 

This is pretty disingenuous trash, too.

I haven't "backed up" my claim because there is nothing to back up or "adjust" about my claim. I'm VT - there is no room for argument. If he saw me going somewhere, it's because he's lying. End of story, there is no other way it could have went down.

That's why "all I did were go off on reasons as to why he" was scum. Because that's literally the only possibility.

 

I might hold you to that.

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If it is four wolves it's between Blab, dC, Fonti for the last wolf every time.

 

Actually ugh hold on.

Reg-scum here could have pretty much pushed his mislynch on me through for free. Instead he came around to voting Cobalt seemingly of his own accord. I don't think there's an "it was just going with the flow of the game" argument to be made here, either, it was solidly a toss-up between Cobalt and me.

So if he's scum here he's doing some elaborate bullshit where he fakes this whole thought process and comes out of it siding against Cobalt in order to endear himself to me somehow.

The paranoid side of me doesn't really think this is impossible, but... whatever.

Also I guess what I wrote about #2453 is actually null now that I've mulled it over a bit more and aren't reading at 1000 mph.

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I'm trying to think if Reg-scum would have thought firmly siding against me here would have been nothing more than an excellent way to get himself hung after Cobalt post-me flip. If he did, it makes sense still and it would explain how he's been taking a more "unsure" stance today with the addendum he wrote in #2453 that I'm not allowed to scum read him or he's given himself free reign to push me.

 

To be clear it's not Reg for the reasons I stated before and to Pein's point if cobalt did act on his own I think Reg drops him instead of defending him to the lengths he has. Stanari continues to be super pure and I think she's spewed by Zen and to a lesser extent Cobalt now. Cobalt/Kai makes no sense with how today has played out and Miner/Cobalt could be a maybe but would be weird considering miner was lined up to be the lynch today until cobalt dive bombed but that wasn't planned I suppose so doesn't discout the possibility but part of this is me feeling worse about dC as wrll.

 

Like I can't help but read that and think that it makes a lot of sense coming from scum-Reg setting up the following scenario: either 1. we lynch Cobalt and proceed with him and me both widely regarded as town, or 2. I come back, continue to yell about him being scum which gives him an excuse to flop back onto me, then we lynch Cobalt and he tries his luck at winning 1-6 starting from D6 (from there that's three more mislynches).

I'm still mulling it over, I am just thinking out loud here.

 

Hmm, kind of don't like Cobalt arguing that his role is the best fit, though I do think it's true.

Hmm.

Setup speculation:
If Cobalt is scum:
Jan had the only info role, which was powerful but oneshot.
=>probably not strong scumteam, more likely 14/4, but Cobalts first claim makes 0 sense as part of a 4-team, because he would be always getting lynched in a situation where we would have lost with 4 but not with 5 scum.
Maybe something like 5 without daychat?(regfan quoted Newcomb saying how strong he thought daychat is.
But 5 without daychat would mean Cobalt would have no advice making up his second claim, so "tracker fitting" is stronger evidence maybe? I mean, not that Cobalt couldn't come up with it on his own, but hmm.
Could be 4 scum and Cobalts first claim was double-dumb.

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Ebwop: Would have lost with 5 but not with 4 scum

 

Claiming "oracle: there are five scum" as part of a 4-person team really isn't *that* dumb. It's only dumb if you claim it as a potential endgame player.

I think he either made that claim without thinking through it at all (this *would* point away from Reg-scum), or made the claim deliberately with intention not to get to endgame but to spread as much mist as possible before he eventually gets lynched down the line (this would not point away from Reg-scum).

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Eeehhhhhhh.

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I'm trying to think of whether this Cobalt stuff would *actually* happen the way I think it would with Reg as scum and I've just ended up confusing myself.

I'm largely left thinking that in Reg-scum world, what likely happened was that the original "oracle: 5 scum" claim was what was planned out, and then Cobalt went and changed his claim later on without it being planned? And I honestly don't know because on the other hand, the stuff I've been reading out of Reg's play is a lot of positioning, and generally just stuff that would have required a lot of advance thought to do and plan out as scum (like actually if I toss out what I wrote about #2456, I'm left thinking that it's hard to fake the posts that he's made recently as fluidly as he's done it here unless he *did* plan this scenario out in advance and had some idea of what he needed to write, which if we assume the tracker claim wasn't planned becomes really ???).

I don't know. I need to sleep on it for a bit longer. I say this fully aware that I may not have a chance to do that at all this game.

In case I end up being lynched here, I am going to clarify that this is not an endorsement for Reg (gun to head I would still say don't let him survive through 3p). I am just thinking out loud a bit.

 

Cobalt
How did you come up with the idea of claiming oracle?

 

Getting food, be back in maybe an hour or so.

 

Man, Cobalt coming back to the thread in Post #2498 and doubling down on the "Setup Spec' argument rather than explaining his actions more feels kind of gross, the logic that's presented isn't wrong at all but I'd already brought up that point, acknowledged it and was still voting him which means as town he needs to address the actual concerns.

On the flip side Pie going with the argument of "There's four scum and Cobalt made his initial claim because he wasn't going to endgame and wanted to create paranoia" is pretty disgusting too since Cobalt was pretty universally town read based on his Zenzao interactions so there's not really any reason for him to kill himself with that claim. And claiming there's 4 scum when thered's 5 means he can never ever endgame. The whole "Cobalt wouldn't fuck his claim up with Reg is argument is bad" coming out of her mouth kind of makes me just want to lynch the shit out of her? She knows my biggest pride in my scum game is fake-claim creation and it's something i"ll devote hours towards even if it ends up being to realise that a fake claim shouldn't be made since it doesn't add up with prior play. Her agreeing with the "5 scum doesn't feel balanced" while not really understanding where I'm coming from and struggling with in this day phase just doesn't make much sense.

I don't even know anymore.

Someone helap.