Yeah, sorry, meant to do stuff overnight but didn't get the chance. I don't feel an especial need to go wallposter at the moment, though.

 

pienyan --- I think he has been critical of Miner consistently in the past, and that the new Miner push would be consistent with town!Reg switching Miner over to being his pet read now that you have been cleared.

However, this doesn't mean OTHER regscum arguments are without merit.

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(EBWOP: Also yeah reading every post IS too much, as I have felt quite strongly this game. What's more important is getting a feel for what everyone is trying to achieve and where their behaviour is varying from what you expected)

 

I mean yeah but it's such a drastic change. There was hardly any period where he actually stopped to ~think~ about things after the realization I couldn't be scum here (i.e. that such a core part of how he was viewing the game was completely wrong the entire time). He just shifted straight into going full aggro on Miner.

It feels less natural and more coming from a place of feigning content, especially given how it fits in with his backoff of me/how he was setting it up yesterday.

 

Oh yes, because I wasn't stating in almost every post of mine yesterday that Miner was always scum here. *Rolls-eyes* and I didn't just elaborate in great detail exactly why I think Miner is mafia, mostly of which I pointed out yesterday and is strengthened by the fact that we were TvT. Like answer this genuinely; you going to read my posts and actually step back here? Yes or no?

 

Town-him, as you said, just wouldn't back off of me like that, I think. It went from complete "pie is lock-scum" to "???" for pretty much no reason. Scum-him on the other hand knows Cobalt is scum and you can see a pretty clearly defined point where he decided "guess Cobalt is going to die, I better back off pie and prepare to switch targets!"

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I will, jeez. /yawn

 

Eh. I recognize the pattern of "deep dive player X, get conclusion on player X, deep dive player Y". His read on Miner was generally independent of other players (as was mine), and I don't think he ever really linked you up with that many scmbuddies either? So again, I can see him making that shift. Even the whole "dumping a giant case on someone who's already scumread" thing kind of makes sense with how he's played the rest of the game.

Plus, he had overnight to think about the new gamestate and he DID make a big post talking about the new gamestate now that you're cleared. I guess my perspective is different because Reg's Miner read closely matches what mine was coming into the day, and his behaviour around it looks like something I'd post as town if I was more wall-y like I used to be.

 

Stop and think for a second; what scum motivation is there to provide a lot of reasoning behind why Pie's a good lynch as mafia, have it backing up my reads previously and then vote Cobalt afterwards especially when it's now a fact that Town!Fonti was trying to push it through on Pie. It's not. It's something that makes absolutely zero fucking sense as mafia "Lets lynch Cobalt and likely clear the person that scum reads and I've been pushing on the entire game rather than lynching them". Like just a second of thought and reading through my posts should make it beyond obvious that I was actually there trying to solve this yesterday and thinking things through on multiple levels.

 

Man, I'm so used to Daychat that I want to say "there's no way Reg lets Cobalt botch his claim AND ruin his chances at mislynching pie" but here we are.

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Hey Reg, reel the reigns in and lynch blab with me.

I'll die overNight and you'll likely talk yourself out of getting lynched.

Isn't this a great deal?

 

Because if I actually get lynched there, Cobalt dies and you die right after him.

This isn't that hard to grasp.

 

There is a part of me that thinks wolf!Reg could be a thing and cobalt thought he was helping Reg get what he wanted with his tracker claim and finally getting pien lynched but that still doesn't gel entirely with how Reg handled it even if cobalt did it without consulting with him.

 

tl;dr: What scum motivation is there to bus a partner who is going down?

Answer: Plenty.

To clarify, I don't think you wanted to lynch Cobalt. I think you determined the Cobalt lynch was inevitable and decided to hop on before it was too late.

 

Let's all take a second to acknowledge that the mafia haven't exactly been playing optimally this game.

 

Reg, your frustration with me simply doesn't make sense. I explicitly said in my opening post today "I need to mull things over", I'm *in agreement* that if there's any reason for you to be town here it's that I question if the stuff with Cobalt *did* play out how I think it did, and I've also explicitly said Miner is a good place to look were you to be town here.

Remember how you gave me this same "your frustration doesn't make sense" treatment on D2/D3? Enjoy.

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^^^This. /10

 

This is my favorite post.

 

Nope. Miner dies today.

And I look 'bad' regardless of what happens there re; your scum read on me and me pushing you, yes? So as scum, I take a mslynch there and then try and talk people out of their scum read no me rather than bussing, losing a partner and a mslynch while guaranteeing someone that's scum reading me remains alive in-definitively. I don't provide reasons for you being mafia to not actually mslynch you, that's fucking idiotic.

 

No comment on where Cobalt placed his buddies?

It sure does make blab look like mafia.

 

The better option for scum-you is to accept me not being lynched and try to leave yourself room to argue out of it come this game day. Getting me lynched there, on the other hand, is instant death.

The only way scum-you ever pushes through the lynch on me is if you had an avenue to do it without looking bad or standing out because of it. Which didn't exist.

 

I mean it's not like you didn't flip-flop back and forth 25,000 times between pein and cobalt yesterday, I believe you started with "cobalt's claim is real 90% of the time" and gradually went to the cobalt side has thread opinion swayed. I'm not saying that's why you switched to cobalt but you definitely didn't dunk on him ordidn't not keep the pein lynch as a very real possibility.

 

My frustration is with the fact that pretty much no one is actually reading my posts, your posts today show that you're pretty much clueless to the fact that Miner was my strongest scum read yesterday and that I'd spend ~20-30 posts during the day phase explaining that read. Your post with the "He did nothing D2" is ridiculously tilting given I had ~100 posts that day phase with only ~5-10 being about you and nearly none of them being fluff. It should be obvious reading my posts that I've been gamesolving, reassessing and actually having read progressions throughout the game.

 

"I want to mislynch Kai or pie but if you guys want to lynch my buddy that's cool too."

"I want to mislynch Kai or pie but if you guys want to mislynch Miner that's cool too."

Yeah, Miner's town.