I haven't had the chance to sit down with this game and a computer since SoD but I have some time now and will do the thing where I make noises momentarily.

 

So in a nutshell, what I'm seeing is the following:
- "Fable, Vaimes, pienyan, and Stanari are all town"
- "Blab only makes sense as scum with dC"

Correct me if I am incorrect, but doesn't this make "dC->Miner->Regfan" a winning lynch pattern?

My only misgiving about this is that Cobalt was yelling about us losing to "PIE/KAI/STANARI" and idk if he'd put all town in there. If he wouldn't, then Stanari is surprise scum.

 

He mentioned that he was pretty sure that scum had a backup rolecop because otherwise why would they NK Kai.

 

Doing a lynch order and putting yourself first on it is all sorts of ?????? especially when you don't really have a read on Blab yourself and are taking my word for him and Miner not being aligned while ignoring a Blab/Me world there?

Like um, what?

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He mentioned this LONG before Kai's death.

 

Vaimes
Pein

Reg
Stanari
Blab

Miner
dC

This is vaguely where I'm at. Blab is that convenient wolf read where he just kinda fits with everybody but individually I just don't think he's wolfy really? I'm wavering on miner due to vaime's read on him plus considering I couldn't even defend him well even when I was certain he was a villager in WH8 I don't think miner is the type who will ever come across as overtly villagery but he's still worse than just about everyone else left. I'm kinda tinfoiling stanari a bit cuz she should be spewed super hard by now but she hasn't really done a lot herself.

 

I mean if he's scum then we know there's a deepwolf somewhere. I'd be looking at Stanari and Fable in that case TBH.

 

I'm ignoring blab/you because of what YOU said earlier, where Blab proposing a lynch order that causes blab/you to lose makes no sense.

I'm putting myself first because otherwise there's problems RE: "Lynch Miner, Miner is scum. Lynch blab because blab can still be scum with me, blab is town. Lynch me, GG". The idea is for my flip to clear blab (again, correct me if I am incorrect about this) at which point there's only two possible scum remaining.

 

How does Miner->Reg->You or Reg->Miner->You differ in that respect though?

Like I'm trying to think of any real reason to volunteer to be the first lynch as town and finding none, just "scum thinking they'll be town read on it?". Like if you think I'm scum then surely me bringing up the Miner/Blab not partners when I know Blabs treating me the same way has scum motivation and it could be a ploy as Blab/Me so you ruling us out for that is eh? You also don't seem lock confident in Stanari being town.

 

Not stealth scum, just haven't had an overwhelmingly strong opinion on anything recently. You can have some random Vaimes tinfoil while I catch up with three things at once I guess.

 

Please elaborate.

 

[Stanari peering over the tops of her glasses]

 

Basically because the delay gives scum time to try and argue for a blab lynch happening before me. Like, the goal of me flipping is to prevent people pushing on blab as soon as possible to minimize potential mishaps.

And I'm more confident Stanari is town than I am in my ability to avoid being mislynched before the end of the game :v. This is perhaps defeatist, but I wasn't kidding when I said I could easily imagine myself in the same position you're in. I'm just not doing that well this game, and it shows.

 

I once read a game in which a scum dayvig shot their own partner.

I think Vaimes is damn town independently though, so probably not a thing.

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You can read "probably" as ">98%" if you like.

 

Oh yeah? Well I once read a game where a scum dayvig shot TWO of their partners! Crook's Hollow something-or-other. This isn't Mirdini we're dealing with though, and I dunno why scum!Vaimes would:
- Make up that his kill was also usable at night, or
- Not use his kill at night instead

 

Guys.

If this was scum!Vaimes, we'd all know.

 

Unfortunately, logic is a poor salve for what is largely emotional paranoia.

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Vote: Miner

 

Okay, look.

I admit to keeping you at arms' length all game because of JPM. Hope it was worth it, because this is the only way my ego will ever begin to recover. :V And for the record, every time you say "you should know I'm town here, Vaimes," I want to throw up a little bit.

You were certain Miner was scum yesterDay. Okay, fine. You were certain Miner was scum when Day started. Cool. You wrote a huge case on him. Alright. You called him confirmed mafia several times. Sure.

Based on your conviction there, ANY vote coming from you that isn't on Miner is suspect. I don't have to read your posts to feel that; no reasoning in the world is good enough to explain away "this guy is 100% mafia but let's lynch this other guy first." It just isn't. I refuse to let you lynch someone else, have them flip town, and then suddenly swing around to Miner. That is not happening.

Endgame is about reevaluating, so I'll do my part instead of just bitching at you and look at other options.

I don't really care how town you look because I know perfectly well you're more than capable of faking that. To say otherwise is simply white noise to me. Frankly, dC looking bad for townreading all the flipped scum isn't as bad as you townreading them and revoking those townreads when it looked like they were sunk.

(And if you say "but Vaimes, read my posts, I pushed on them BEFORE they were about to die," hold that thought, I'm going to read your posts again.)

 

Kind of don't think this is W/W?

 

And why do you get to use reasoning like "Stanari doesn't have the balls to put two of her buddies in her top three townreads" but when I say "Cobalt didn't put three buddies in one group" suddenly I'm the one being dumb?

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Like, sure, mafia will vote together sometime to obfuscate votal analysis, but I don't think they put the same thought into their readslists.

 

When I make comments like "You should know I'm town" it's because of JPM though; you've seen that as scum I'm very good at taking control of the thread and steering it towards a scum win condition while still looking very town. I don't make pushes that aren't designed to either further a scum immediate win condition or make pushes that aren't designed to make me look good upon their flip. This game I've what; scum read Pie but not pushed her (She'll keep saying I have but I can very easily post-game prove that I wasn't intending nor did I actually do this), scum read Kai and then realised he was town and pulled off him, town read Zenzao/Waco/Cobalt and dropped most of those reads. Like I'm not playing to a "Make self look good" play here, I'm playing a "I'm struggling at piecing this game together" thing.

I was pretty confident that Miner was scum and I still think there's a very good chance of this. None of this is untrue, but there's a few things that have put some doubt in that in Fontisian strongly town read Miner and I was hoping to talk with her about this read today and get a better feel for where/why she's at where she is, the fact that she died means I need to be careful since I think a mslynch on Miner here outright loses the game. I think mafia can use that to push through a mslynch on me and boom, we lose. So yes, I'm actually looking at all avenues and trying to use more scumhunting tools then just "This dude looks like scum".

Like you said, end-game (And this is moreso endgame for me than for you) is about re-evaluating and making sure I don't get this completely wrong and I think there's a lot that makes sense this game with DC being mafia in not just a "this dude reads scum" manner in a) NKA, b) Interaction analysis, c) Scum motivated reads/pushes and d) His interaction with me yesterday just didn't feel right. You'll notice I'm not here going "EVERYONE VOTE DC, DC IS MAFIA', I'm actually trying to work this out before making a hard push and a hard call for the scum team.

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I'll grab links if I get time tonight but I've put several partners in nullish areas together, I've seen others do it too. It's pretty standard for scum to do? It's less common for scum to sit their partners as their strongest town reads in the game since it's harder for them to explain / sell.