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DLP Survey 2020

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Skeletaure, Jun 7, 2020.

  1. Niez

    Niez Seventh Year ⭐⭐

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    A slave liking his slavery does not make him any less a slave. House elves may not be slaves for x,y,z reasons but that argument is insane.
     
  2. aAlouda

    aAlouda High Inquisitor

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    And I am pretty sure lots of slaves had kind masters and enjoyed the treatment they received from, that doesen't mean the system is not inherently bad, since Elves dont get to deceide who their master is unless they're free and a change of ownership can happen anytime.
     
  3. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    The arrows are shot by centaurs, which are magical beings. One would assume that there was magic in their weapons.

    I would go so far as to say that a single arrow shot by a centaur has a better chance of breaking a shield charm than a nuclear bomb.
     
  4. WierdFoodStuff

    WierdFoodStuff Seventh Year

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    You're looking at it from a real life perspective.
    It's more than liking, their magic itself makes them follow orders.
     
  5. aAlouda

    aAlouda High Inquisitor

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    Nothing we see implied that the enchantment compells them to like being slaves, as far as we see it just compells them to obey order of their master.

    Sure we see that they enjoy working, but that isn't a justificaiton to keep them as slaves.
    Fair enough, I usally assumed they wouldn't use magic for their arrows, but that could be false.
     
  6. TheWiseTomato

    TheWiseTomato Prestigious Tomato ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Centaurs are classified as 'Magical Beasts' rather that 'Beings' but that's also by their own preference, so who knows what they can do besides remind people that Mars is bright tonight.
     
  7. Mordecai

    Mordecai Drunken Scotsman –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    On the house elf question, we don't know enough from canon to assume that its slavery rather than "something magical", all we have is Hermione's dramatic overreaction to finding out they exist and her immediate assumptions that are then never discussed again. Basing your argument on the uneducated assumptions of a 15 year old girl is rarely going to end with you completely in the right.

    And on the shield question, its one of the few bits of Taure's magical theory that I actually like. Magic beats mundane pretty much without restriction. Thats part of what makes it all so magical.
     
  8. aAlouda

    aAlouda High Inquisitor

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    Yeah we do, Dumbledore literally says its slavery and that they are magically forced to obey their masters.

    You dont need to be Hermione to see that this is wrong, especially since we see that their is nothing protecting them if their master isn't nice.
     
  9. Mordecai

    Mordecai Drunken Scotsman –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Want to give me a quote for Dumbledore saying its slavery?
     
  10. aAlouda

    aAlouda High Inquisitor

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    Here is him saying its slavery in Order of Phoenix.

    And this is him explaining they are magically forced to obey in Half-Blood-Prince
     
  11. Vira

    Vira Third Year ~ Prestige ~

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    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Just my five seconds of thought.
     
  12. Plotless

    Plotless High Inquisitor

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    Dumbledore gang turning out since 2015.
     
  13. Mordecai

    Mordecai Drunken Scotsman –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Ok, on the strength of that first quote where he actually says "enslaved" I'll concede that it is actually slavery, without that quote everything else is inference.
     
  14. Acquiescing Avian

    Acquiescing Avian Second Year

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    I'd like to know exactly how Malfoy and Umbridge were punished in canon.
     
  15. aAlouda

    aAlouda High Inquisitor

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    Umbridge ended up in a Azkaban, but Kingsley didn't allow Dementors in it anymore. The Malfoys fully escaped punishment.
     
  16. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Good question, nice name btw.

    Malfoys were disgraced for a time and had their ancestral manor squatted in by Voldemort. Not sure but I think Lucius did a stretch in Azkaban?

    Umbridge was raped by a herd of centaurs and eventually ended up in Azkaban.
     
  17. Acquiescing Avian

    Acquiescing Avian Second Year

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    The name wasn't really my choice, but thanks.

    The Malfoys most probably didn't enjoy having Voldemort in their home, but the lack of major legal consequences is a bit annoying.

    I don't think Umbridge was 'raped' bu the centaurs. I know it's common in Greek mythology, but it seems a bit too dark for the HP universe.

    I genuinely don't remember reading this. It's mentioned in the wiki page though.
     
  18. Eilyfe

    Eilyfe Supreme Mugwump

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    Some of the questions on the political side felt pretty pointless in their yes/no distinction.

    "Immigrants should adopt the culture of their destination country" for example.

    I hate difficult questions being reduced to such a binary answer as agree/disagree. Especially in charged topics there is always a caveat. In this particular question, for example, I agree in principle but also find that agreement to be pretty meaningless without a closer inspection of what the culture in question actually entails, and what is meant by culture in the first place (is it religion? literature? mores? language? all of the above?). The tension between homo- and heterogeneity can scarcely be reduced to a simple answer. I realize that an indepth treatment of these issues would likely explode the frame of the survey, but I found these questions kind of vexing.

    On the bright side, I got a good laugh out of the question for global threat and had a beautiful time weighing the US, China, Iran and so on.
     
  19. aAlouda

    aAlouda High Inquisitor

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    Rowling mentions stuff like that on Pottermore.

    Here about Umbridge ending up in Azkaban.
    Here about Kingsley removing the Dementors from Azkaban.
    And Here about the Malfoys escaping punishment.
     
  20. Arthellion

    Arthellion Lord of the Banned ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    By nature of it's power, the USA is the greatest potential threat to global peace and security. It is also the greatest potential upholder of global peace and security.
     
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