How do you read regfan?

 

Enthusiasm and depth of thought, usually. Only caught him once when his head wasn't really in the game.

 

Which isn't to say that I don't think he could fake it, buuut I've liked his posts and his energy and agree with his reads for the most part.

 

You didn't read that correctly.

I thought he was scum?

 

I did not. You think Amy is like M+7 and getting pushed because people don't know her and we all know each other, so she becomes an easy target to tinfoil about. But that's not what's happening here, the people leading the push on her are the ones who have played with her.

Love, you said he 100% had to die.

 

@Gemma re; your Post #1326, fair enough, think we're as close to on the same page as we can be at the moment and in sort of waiting/holding period until some of the people in the PoE that just haven't done much today start doing things. Little sad that you've lost some of the desire to scumhunt that you had before, but is definitely understandable, especially with how hard ISO'ing and things are on this site now.

Uhhh, I don't think I've asked you any or many questions at all. I've actually made a point to barely talk about my read and thoughts on you, or talk to you until I have done this ISO so the underlined doesn't really make any sense. I haven't really seen the 'incorporating' my reads into yours much but I will be ISO'ing you today and we can talk after that, is possible I've just outright missed/not noticed it happening but it's felt more like you're just keeping your reads/thoughts on players you had before I started posting, and just some of them happen to be inline with what you had. And I have noticed you not defending Cuth, we'll talk about him together later today (hopefully after he's made some more posts) because I really do want to talk with you about his D2 play.

Actually means a lot to her you say that, have enjoyed reading most of your posts.

 

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Waco vote there either, and I don't really think them staying so far in the past is going to help get a better read on them/is a very weird sort of reaction/response to seeing that you're getting some votes and know that people scum read your slot. Do think there's an actual case on the Amy slot, and I don't think Gemms arguing with that, is more a 'if they're town, they're not going to get given the breathing room or benefit of the doubt and will always be in that PoE' thing.

Also fwiw, I've never actually played with Amy, but have Obs'ed their most recent town game that ended a few days ago, and is possible that some of the uhh, playstyle-ish changes / difference in nature here is due to them pulling back and changing things a bit since that game they hard cased what was most peoples strong town read D1, who reacted poorly to it and got yeeted, misyeeted D2 and watched scum win fairly comfortably.

 

Sorry, it's more an issue with a lot of people asking me things that don't make sense, and your question just being the later example. My reads are somewhat different from where they were at the start of the Day (better on you, Gemma, much better on Sloth, better on Tom, worse on Cuth, better on Rubicon, somewhat better on Dels, back to about where I started on Cobalt). Looking forward to talking later about Cuth.

 

Regarding Ampharos, I'd like to see what she says before offering reasons for her.

 

I'm here and reading up from the ground for maybe 45 or so, down to realtime as I go if anyone wants.

 

@Cuth - Is bad timing for me, am just about to go to work, in the office today so unlikely to be around as much as I'd like but just you catching up and putting down thoughts and reads is mostly what I want from you.

Is okay, and yeah, lots of those make sense. Should say I've been looking at my reads and trying to piece things together, and I do think if there's someone I'm possibly wrong on one in all of [Vaimes/Sloth/Gemma/Dels/Rubicon] it's possibly Dels in that I don't have him anti-aligned with any of my PoE other than yourself. We'll talk more about this later, when I've ISO'ed you but in meantime, can you maybe put together some worlds/teams you think could exist/make sense with Amy!Scum and Amy!Town please? Like whose likely partners with Amy here, and if you're wrong on Amy, what's the team sort of look like?

Nod.

 

I don't really feel like I have enough information to look for teams? I'd buy tom probably not being with Amy, and think Cobalt probably wouldn't be with her either. I don't think Waco is necessarily unaligned because of her vote.

 

Got distracted several times and have to leave now, but these are ramblings from the first 300 pages.

I appreciate Para calling himself >rand villagery for having a wordy entrance.
Gemma going out of her way to clarify that Para is not a wolfread is a good look if Amy flips w.
I'm remembering why I vibed with tom coming out of the gate, it's happening again the second time through.
I think Waco feels more light-hearted/quick to just say things without really worrying about sounding a certain way than he did when I played with him as a wolf.
Dels repeatedly calls things wolfy before doing almost exactly the same thing-- in 231, he calls me suspicious for talking about ideas instead of in-game things, citing my posts where I talked about how people were making reads too quickly (when he definitely did a solid chunk at the start himself), and also immediately says "oh yeah and I kinda agree that you shouldn't read Para on tone he can fake things well".
@Gemma, both of your bird comics have been great and made me happy.
Kinda feel like the prevalence of people throwing out 3-person wolflists might be connected to the way the game played out d1, it was a remarkably... PoE-less day? Less in terms of people not having people they thought could be wolves, more of a mindset thing. It was sort of like team mafia in terms of people doing things rather than people trying to sort, and when you combine that feel with people changing their minds on the top wagon but no agreement on others and dlp voting system the outcome isn't terribly surprising, I suppose. Part of why I was excited to see Reg come in today.
Ter's (Jari's) justifaction for the vote on me was meh, it felt like a carbon copy of things other people had said earlier on and ignored what had happened since she originally made the vote.
I don't find Rubi as villagery this time through-- nothing bad, just more aware of his range now. Otherwise agree with the list I made then.

 

'Twas I.
You two assholes kept vetoing my fun.

 

Though talk more about this kill in relation to me, sounds flattering.

 

People I'm certain enough are town to varying degrees: Regfan Dels Gemma

People who I glance at and think "ya, probably town, I guess": Vaimes Waco Rubicon Cuth Amy

People that are town depending on x factors: Cobalt

Leftovers I'm ok execing:
-Font
-Jari
-Tom

UNVOTE

 

Okay doing the Fonti ISO now.

Vaimes/Fonti aren't W/W. Also confident enough with Gemma/Fonti not being W/W now which means [Vaimes/Fonti/Gemma/Dels] contains 0-1 Scum. If one ever flips scum you can pretty much hard clear the rest, Fonti/Maybe Dels probably the only ones ever flipping scum there though. Also lean towards Fonti/Rubicon not being W/W.

I do like her reads/reasoning in Post #640, a lot of them are reads I had and/or still have right now and is generally how I've seen her play/think as town. (Sidenote but I doubt Fonti!Scum doesn't try and sneak a partner into that list, so Fonti!Scum probably means one of TerRaine (Jarizok) or Cuth is scum?)

I like I think the progression/headspace on Wisp from Fonti flows fairly well in their posts throughout early/mid D1. Reasoning behind scum reading / suspecting them makes sense, and the doubting and hesitation behind not hard pushing the lynch through does exist in her posts. Mindset/actions before EoD of trying to get people to move their votes, considering voting Tom in Post #668 and Post #670 all fits with the "not so sure of a hit" and is something that remains fairly consistent in next ~5ish posts where she votes Cobalt / reiterates that Toms an option for her. The waiting for Amy to make a decision sort of makes sense in a "I'm struggling & not really sure who to hard push here" world if Fontis town.

It's her Post #768/Post #770 that I'm swirling around in my head and sort of doubting coming from her as town, after seeing how confidently and quickly she got to Town!Wisp in Team Mafia, and seeing that she was moving more and more to thinking that Wisp might not be scum the "doesn't seem like he's going to get any townier" stance just...feels wrong/doesn't fit with what's happened during the day phase? I'd more expect a "Wisps getting townier / I'm more unsure of his alignment now, give me a day and I can get him if he's town" type comment or attitude? Hard to work out how much to read into that with the possibly inability or struggle to move the lynch elsewhere with so few people around I guess, but it's definitely my main gripe with her EoD play and I guess this more bodes with what Vaimes was thinking about her play there too.

I also have a concern with Fontisians acknowledgement that the night kill probably means that scum are happy with how the game state was in Post #927 and the sort of 'lost/rethinking, doubting even Vaimes' type attitude in Post #994 and then just sort of ultimately ending up on Amy, where she was talking about scum reading at the end of yesterday and where several others did without too much thoughts shared on what she thinks of direct players in the game re; the night kill, or game state. Like there feels like there's a disconnect between considering the kill, her initial reaction and posting vs what she's done in this day phase.

(Some of my links stopped working and I can't be bothered going and re-linking them all, sorry)

Think I come out of it with a weakish/medium scum read on her?
@Gemma - I was kind of holding of doing this since I didn't want to have you focus on her too much in the earlier part of the day, and was waiting to see more content/data before doing it, but I do need/want you to comment on this now.

 

Blargh, Cuths another person mostly just talking about really older stuff.

@Sloth - Think you're at a fairly similar place to me, in that I'm mostly considering voting in Amy/Fonti/Cuth/Jari/Cobalt today, and you've got 3 of them in your PoE focus pool and Cobalt sort of just one step up. Can you talk to me about your Amy town read please?

 

Something that's pinging me about @fontisian is that she's mostly only using meta or out-of-game factors to her reads ("Waco wouldn't shoot someone they invited", "reg replacing in without a lot of thoughts means not scum", "if fluff was scum and planned reg's replacement", and to a lesser degree "scum!fluff doesn't townread me and tom").
She's cited having a hard time this game due to others not having content for her to glean alignments from and that might explain the above, but I also think that's an accurate perception of the game state. I'm not expecting her to have "solved the game", but having content-related reads doesn't strike me as unreasonable at this point.

@tom 's response to Cobalt is 100% discredit, 0% attempt to solve. I'm also not quite getting what he thinks he caught him doing D1 and D2, but it's being treated as a GOTCHA moment.
His later posts are pretty okay though.

@The Waco Kid not townreading me is good at a glance, but the reasons seem pretty lazy.
Talk more, Waco.

I want @Cuthalion to talk about his read on Waco and its progression starting yesterDay. For reasons.

The @Ampharos townlean is a leftover from Para, aided by the fact that she herself hasn't done anything bad imo, despite what others are saying. One of the reads (fonti's?) is entirely based off of meta which I have no frame of reference to agree or disagree.
Probably one to revisit as I disagree with Gemma: Most of us have played with Amy, I'm pretty sure.
Def need to hear more from her.

@Jarizok replaced Ter. Ter's push on Waco was clumsy and opportunistic and I wouldn't be surprised if she (@Regfan she) did it in an attempt to be in the right side of history. Her quick townread of me was odd, and I should ISO her later because I do remember other things about her striking me as odd.
Jari came in and did nothing to relieve my opinion. He's mostly fluttering and not solving, which reminds me of Wonka - but that's my only experience with him. Still, nah.

Hm.
VOTE @fontisian
This or Jarizok I'm happy with toDay.

Alright gonna go cook, but then should be around for the rest of the Day. Four hours left.