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The Acolyte (Star Wars)

Discussion in 'Movies, Music and TV shows' started by CrackedMind, Jun 5, 2024.

  1. CrackedMind

    CrackedMind Minister of Magic

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    Anyone have a chance to watch the two part premiere?

    I enjoyed it, even if some of the cgi was corny.
    the dream sequence where Osha becomes a a child version of herself looked awful and cheesy.

    None of the High Republic Jedi have really set themselves apart yet as memorable characters. I think Sol has been pretty great so far, but all of them have been saddled with a lot of exposition dialogue the first two episodes. I’m looking forward to seeing the Wookiee Jedi in action next week being cool and not forced to explain x characters backstory.

    Shocked that Carrie Ann Moss died so early lmao, they Drew Barrymore’d her. Tough beat to spend weeks training for Force-Fu just to get a knife in the heart in the first five min. I also really hope that the four Jedi didn’t kill Osha’s family, since that seems to be too obvious? Like obviously they mustve done something really shady for the one to willingly kill himself, but I don’t know. I just don’t think that would be satisfying.
     
  2. Drachna

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    I'm waiting to watch it with my family over the weekend. This one really snuck up on me though, I didn't know it was coming out until I saw an advert for it on a bus last week. I know absolutely nothing about it, but I'm hoping that it's more Andor and less Boba
     
  3. yargle

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    I really enjoyed the first two episodes.

    High points of note for me, in no specific order and spoiler-free:
    1. The visual design of the Jedi outfits are starting to blend between the High Republic gold and yellow and moving more towards Skywalker Saga brown and tan. Works on a practical level of "hey, we made the Jedi look cool as hell but need to start having the prequel's design make sense" and a symbolic level showing a tarnishing of the Jedi's moral center and the beginnings of their fall.
    2. The bit with the children meditating, and the discussion of diving into the Force like an ocean, is a direct call to Elzar Mann, a Jedi Maser from Phases 1 and 3 of the High Republic who experienced the Force as an ocean.
    3. Sol is just... great. Easily my favorite character of the first two episodes, and I do not look forward to what I can only assume is his inevitable death.
    4. If you've read the High Republic books, the characterization of Vernestra Rwoh as a hidebound, rules oriented voice of authority makes a lot of sense. Her Master was Stellan Gios (the absolute dapper dude pictured below), an eventual member of the Jedi High Council and probably my favorite character of High Republic Phase 1, was also very rules oriented so it's nice to see his impact a century-ish on. Fun fact: Vernestra Rwoh actually passed her knighthood trials at 15, making her one of the youngest Jedi knight in at least a generation.

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    5. I think Amanda Stenberg is doing a good job of portraying two wildly different characters.
    6. Cool to see Joonas Suotamo back and playing our first live action Wookiee Jedi.
    7. Some of the technology definitely shows that it is a more technologically primitive time than the prequels and Original Trilogy, which helps reinforce the fact that this is before anything we've seen before in live action.

    I don't think Indara, Sol, Torbin and Kelnacca killed Mae and Osha's family. Something shady definitely happened around it, and I don't know what but I think Mae did start the fire. Sol likely wasn't involved, since it seems like he honestly believed Mae was dead. Indara definitely recognized Mae as Mae, Torbin swore the Barash Vow (an oath in which a Jedi refrains from taking part in activities of the Jedi Order as either an act of penitence or occasionally an attempt to re-focus on the Force) and Kelnacca is clearly on some sort of hermitage.

    I have a feeling that Indara and Torbin (and probably Kelnacca) may have saved Mae's life but sensing darkness in her didn't want to bring her into the Jedi Order and so told her that Osha was dead. And probably sent her off somewhere. This would tie in to Sol's statement about not letting fear cloud judgement, basically everything about how Mace Windu treated Anakin, and Luke's moment of fear when he was sensing Ben's mind. It just... fits. One problem with this is that Torbin took the Barash Vow ten years pre-series, but the death of the family happened 16 years pre-series so whatever crap Indara/Torbin/Kelnacca were involved in might have occurred later than I currently think. Or what I've postulated was just part one of whatever happened.

    Mae is being manipulated by the Sith Master who is likely testing her to see if she would fit as his apprentice, or if she'll just be some lowly Sith cultist (like those we saw on Exegol in Ep IV and as Qimir is likely to be). My prediction is that by the end of the series, basically every named Jedi we've met, several we haven't yet met, plus Osha and Mae will be dead, the Sith Master will have killed quite a few of them, and the Order will have no clue that the death of so many Jedi was due to Sith.
     
  4. Drachna

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    My parents seem to like it, but my sister and I both left. It was much more Bobf than Andor unfortunately.
     
  5. KHAAAAAAAN!!

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    The dialogue could use some cleaning up, and I would really appreciate a more talented cinematographer a la Ahsoka and Andor for that lived-in feel, but I otherwise enjoyed the first 2 eps.

    Sad to see that the ragegrifters have zero'd in on this as their newest culture war target. It was at 40% on RT with 500+ ratings before the first 2 eps had even aired. Now it's 30% and 5000+. Smh.
     
  6. Nevermind

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    There is a rather interesting theory going around that Qimir
    may in fact be Mae‘s master.

    There are a couple of reasons why I would find that charming:

    • He clearly knows more than he is letting on:
      • Figuring out that Osha was posing as her sister when he shouldn‘t even know Mae *has* a sister, nevermind an ostensibly dead one)
      • Knowing where the Jedi are hiding & Torbin’s weakness at the very least
      • Quoting part of the Sith code at Mae
    • He’s at least adept at hand-to-hand combat (evading Mae when she confronts him about ratting her out to the Jedi)
    • He‘s also a very good actor – lying to two Jedi and a couple of Padawans is no mean feat
    • Keeping an eye on Mae while in disguise would be a rather Sith thing to do.
    • Lastly, Manny Jacinto is great, so I‘d be delighted with him having a bigger role over the course of the season.
     
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    That is a real possibility, but I don't think the current evidence supports it as strongly as the current proponents of it believe. My thoughts of them in same order as listed above:

    1. Qimir clearly has some history with Mae, and it seems heavily implied to me that part of her wanting to join the Sith is that she blamed the Jedi (rightly or not) for the "death" of Osha and that would have come up during her recruitment
    2. This is the strongest piece of evidence, but it doesn't rule out him being a "higher" ranked Sith cultist assigned to assist/monitor Mae during her tasked assassinations. Knowing Torbin's weakness could arise from knowledge of Mae's background plus knowledge of the Barash Vow, and he could know the Jedi's location from the Sith Master. But as I said, this is the strongest evidence.
    3. Being a Sith cultist would entail knowing the Sith code.
    4. Jedi aren't the end all, be all of combat. A sufficiently trained person could fight a Jedi and win (see General Viess, who had killed multiple Jedi with a beskar spear and fought legendary High Republic Jedi Porter Engle twice and survived), and Mae certainly isn't to the same level as a Jedi trained in hand-to-hand combat.
    5. Not all Jedi have the skill to tell when someone is lying through the Force, and must instead rely upon their own instincts and observations. An example comes from the book Star Wars: Master & Apprentice by Claudia Gray where we learn that Qui-Gon lacked the ability in the Force to tell truth from lie.
    6. Fair, but I'm not sure how much the Sith Master is willing to risk in giving the Jedi a chance to learn about him, which is why I think there is a strong chance of Qimir being a cultist.
    7. I'm unfamiliar with Manny Jacinto, but he was great in episode 2.

    I know it seems like I am holding on tight to my own personal theory of him being a Sith cultist. It looks that way because I am really hoping it turns out that way. While we know from previous entries in canon that Sith cultists exist, we don't know much about them beyond what we saw in Episode IX, the Vader comics and the book Shadows of the Sith and even then we only really know anything about Ochi of Bestoon. I give it a 50/50 chance of Qimir being the Sith Master or not.
     
  8. KHAAAAAAAN!!

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    Headland has been talking a lot in interviews about the show's focus on Rule of Two, and using established EU characters. So I'm fairly certain Jacinto's Qimir IS the helmeted Sith we got a glimpse of, and an apprentice of Darth Plagueis (or Darth Tenebrous if this is pre-dating Plagueis), and is grooming Mae to be his apprentice for when he takes power.
     
  9. yargle

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    If "using established EU characters" means what the words say, don't trust a single male Muun we see, he'll probably be Plagueis. If she meant the non-show current canon Star Wars stuff, she was probably talking about things like Rwoh and other long-lived Jedi and doesn't actually know that current canon is supposed to be flat.

    Though Abrams and Filoni have both fucked that, goddammit.
     
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    Only partway into the episode, but can we get an independent Force using group that aren't a coven of witches for once? It's just so very one-note feeling.

    Edit:

    Yeah, I don't feel a lot of sympathy for this coven. And oh boy, dark side alchemy? That's kinda fun.

    Edit 2:

    Cool to see the test from Ep I return but I have to wonder how you would test an aphantasiac Force-sensitive. And yeah, I really don't like these witches or Mae. I knew she had some dark side going on early. A good example of the dangers of attachment.
    Unrelated to spoilers: one of the cool things of the High Republic books was that Jedi kept their lightsabers in holsters instead of just clipped to a belt. Sad to notice in episode three that they are back to up to clips now.
     
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    So yeah, very clearly setting the stage for Plagueis and his obsession with creating life via the force. I'm imagining his interest in Mae (and Osha) is that he finds out they're a dyad created by alchemy.
     
  12. yargle

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    Annoying they're obviously going with "he stole the idea from witches" though.
     
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