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Could Lily have saved Snape?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Severus, May 23, 2017.

  1. Severus

    Severus Sent Back to India

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    Do you think if Lily had loved Snape, he could have been saved? I think he would have a changed for Lily and wouldn't become a Death Eater.
     
  2. Arthellion

    Arthellion Unspeakable

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    *grabs popcorn*

    You're not from around here are ya, sonny?

    (Just FYI might want to lurk more before asking questions. This site can get brutal)

    To answer the question:
    It depends on -when- Lily started loving snake that would effect the character
     
  3. Deftex

    Deftex Third Year

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    Lily can't deal with Snape's greasiness, and in his anger he turns to Voldemort and the Death Eaters in the hopes that they can help him develop magical prescription-strength shampoo.
     
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  4. Shinysavage

    Shinysavage Madman With A Box Prestige

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    Well, his 'love' for her didn't stop him at least dismissing the victimisation of other Muggleborns as jokes, so...I'm going to say no.
     
  5. ashland

    ashland First Year

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    I believe JKR said Snape thought Lily would be impressed by him joining the Death Eaters. So no.
     
  6. kira and light

    kira and light Sixth Year

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    Fo real? I thought Snape was supposed to be smart? This makes not any kind of sense not only did Lily seem to hate dark magic but it should not even be a question why she would have anything against their cause.

    Jk again showing that she can't write a logical/intelligent character to save her life.
     
  7. Methos

    Methos Seventh Year

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    In what point do you think Lily actually loved Snape, he was freaking creepy from the get go.
    So he was her neighbor and somewhat friendly with her, but as time in Hogwarts progressed, you could easily see who is friends are.
     
  8. Invictus

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    I mean, if loving her and wanting to be with her didn't spur him to be a better person and someone who she could see herself with, why having her would change anything? If anything, it would make him paranoid about losing her and make him double down on his shitness. Surprise, surprise, obsessed people don't really develop healthy habits.
     
  9. TheWiseTomato

    TheWiseTomato Tactical Tomato DLP Supporter

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    Jesus christ dude, pick up a hobby, try some new video games, something. You cannot tell me making dumb thread after dumb thread is the highlight of your day.
     
  10. CrackedMind

    CrackedMind Death Eater

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    All the people who say DLP is brutal are wrong. We've collectively mellowed with age. I remember even six years ago there'd be a lot more pitchforks ready to go for threads like this.
     
  11. vlad

    vlad Seventh Year Prestige

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    Better question: could alexxx/warner/severus disappear and never return?
     
  12. Sorrows

    Sorrows High Inquisitor Prestige DLP Supporter

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    Whichever one of you trollish cuntmuffins created Severus must have something better to do with your time. Surely. Can't you take up flower arranging or quarry diving or something?

    Just spare us the firehose of inanity already.
     
  13. Chengar Qordath

    Chengar Qordath The Final Pony Prestige

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    I think I'll actually give her some credit on that point: it's exactly the sort of stupid thinking you'll see from some hormonal teenage boys. If he'd been a modern muggle boy, he'd probably try to impress her by having her watch while he played an online shooter and screamed expletives and racial slurs into his microphone.
     
  14. bacchanal

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    He canonically left and opposed the DEs for her, so. The issue with them in canon is that by the time Snape got invested in the DEs, he was 1) still a teenager, and 2) had had years of Lily already being his friend and making excuses for him. Her loving him romantically wouldn't really change anything, because the friendship was already toxic. If he has to change *because* of Lily before joining the DEs, it has to be made clear on her part that she disapproves of his actions before they develop any kind of trust.
     
  15. TheWiseTomato

    TheWiseTomato Tactical Tomato DLP Supporter

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    I mean...I don't think Lily should have had to state, "I disapprove of you joining a group who think people like me, your childhood friend, are subhuman."
     
  16. Shinysavage

    Shinysavage Madman With A Box Prestige

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    I mean, leaving aside TWT's point...

     
  17. Arthellion

    Arthellion Unspeakable

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    I think Lily could have saved Snape if she had expressed love and affection to him from maybe their third or fourth year. By fifth year Snape was already too entrenched in the young Death Eater club.

    Don't get me wrong. Snape is a jerk who ends up a bitter man that verbally abuses children. That said, I cannot blame him too terribly much for his choices in school. He was a young kid and surrounded by this ideology. He did what he had to to survive which was conform.

    Snape, if he ever had a chance of being a good person, required a stronger moral character instilled in him as a child. That obviously didn't happen, so you have him doing whatever he could to survive.

    Up until after he is named to the post of Potions professor, I see him as a tragic figure. Here is where we could have seen him truly become a likable and good character. Lost his first love because of his mistakes, he instead devotes himself to being a good teacher and preparing for the day voldemort returns. Instead, he reverts to verbally abusing and scaring kids. He's bitter and no better a person.
     
  18. bacchanal

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    I don't see how her loving him romantically in third or fourth year or w.e. would change anything, because she already expressed love and affection to him- he was her best friend.

    What she should have to do is irrelevant, it's about what's likely to influence him. JKR said he didn't understand why she didn't approve. He's used to her loyalty, and separates her from how he treats others in his mind because of it.

    Lily says directly in that quote that she's made excuses for him for years, and then that she doesn't want to see him again. There's more to say about this, but rebuilding a relationship and broken trust is radically different than building a relationship and trust.
     
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  19. llawssalg

    llawssalg DA Member

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    Lol no dude lily already magnanimously give snape an excuse for years. The fault is in snape himself.
     
  20. torrent56

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    As explicitly stated in canon, Snape decided to join Voldemort even when he knew what Voldemort was capable of and what the future Death Eaters were doing to other students. Lily loving Snape wouldn't make him change his mind and Lily has already tried to make tonnes of excuses for him over the years.
     
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