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"Harry Potter 6 ¾" ←Anyone heard of this before?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by bornagainpenguin, Mar 14, 2007.

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  1. bornagainpenguin

    bornagainpenguin DLP Archivist

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    I was over at another forum.... and I came across a link to this site: Harry Potter 6 ¾ by Jared Myers which purports to be an exhaustive analysis of the upcoming book seven.

    From the site:
    There was also a "news" article about the guy here that doesn't really make it clear if this is a legit thing or not.



    Anyway, what do you guys think? Is it worth tossing some money this guy's way?

    --bornagainpenguin
     
  2. Midknight

    Midknight Middy is SPAI! DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Depends on how interesting a read it'd be, I'd say if it was under 20$, it'd be worth it if it was giant, for research and possible theories folks might've missed.

    You could always buy it, scan it, then take donations from folks to cover the price you paid
     
  3. Dark Syaoran

    Dark Syaoran No. 4 Admin

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    ...So, like, does this guy work or what? Seems like he sat around all day, surfing the net and looking through the six books. I guess everyone has to have a hobby...

    I probably wouldn't buy a copy. I'd just get scans off someone who did.
     
  4. Dark Lord Rostam

    Dark Lord Rostam Button La Famiglia Midknight

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    Can't you just use Google?
     
  5. NamesAreUnimportant

    NamesAreUnimportant Third Year

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    Let me start by admitting to the world that I am excessively paranoid. That being said, this whole thing says 'scam' to me. In each of the books, completely and totally new concepts have been introduced that could not in any way have been foreseen. Therefore, it's only logical that the key to Voldemort's final downfall and the completion of a seven-volume plot will involve something similar, something that nobody could have predicted.

    Moving away from my acute paranoia, let's look at this guy's claims closely. He says he knows JKR's secret ending to the seventh book. How could he know such a thing? Unless he happened to engage in a one-on-one conversation with her, the only way he could know outside of speculation is by reading/hearing it in an interview, in which case he definitely wouldn't be the only person to know. Where, then, does he get off publishing a book about it? Furthermore, couldn't that constitute copyright infringement?

    Just some food for thought...
     
  6. Jeram

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    Well, I purchased this "book" (which is really just an e-book), and I would not suggest that anyone buy it - it uses data from the books and interview to attempt to figure out logically the answers to questions. The index of terms is fairly comprehensive (it maps items with page numbers), but it is not copyright infringement as far as I can tell - although I may need to look into it.

    -J
     
  7. Midknight

    Midknight Middy is SPAI! DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    I haven't gotten a chance to look at it yet, but there is no sort of protection for downloading the book.

    if you've got the link, it's open season on it, rofl.
     
  8. TheProf

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    Wow, hey it's nice to see when people are talking about a product you are a part of. First off I found this thread tracking traffic coming in and out of our site and I just want to say that for those looking to 'expose' the link to our 'download page', not nice. That's called stealing and it's no less a felony than if you went to your local Barnes and Noble and tried to rip of the book there.

    This book is very reasonably priced, In fact there is two very affordable versions, one for $7 bucks and one for $14.95. At any rate this is not a scam or spam or anything bad. We have sold a lot of books and have had overall favorable reviews. Jared has worked really hard on this book and is hardly getting rich off this book, he just wants to share his ideas and thinks that his 400 + hours of research work could use some compensation.

    Those who are still skeptical can get a couple free chapter to the book at the bottom of our website. We are just two guys in college who happen to love Harry Potter, not some scam artists. If you have any questions, or would just like a copy of a couple of chapters email me at support@book7answers.com

    Feel free to ask any questions about the book, security, integrity or anything about us at that same email. We respond super fast. Hope this helped better answer some peoples concerns/ questions.

    Visit us at www.book7answers.com, my name is Mike and I am the 'Headmaster' over the website.

    P.S. We also have a forum at http://book7answers.com/phpBB2/index.php

    Happy Pottering!
     
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  9. NamesAreUnimportant

    NamesAreUnimportant Third Year

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    Okay, whatever. I still say this is copyright infringement. When you read any fanfiction out there, the first thing at the top of the page is a disclaimer saying that no money or profit of any kind is being made off of the story, and now this guy comes and makes money because the name "Harry Potter" is attached to his book. Is this a mere technicality? Yes. Am I being anal? Hell yes. However, the point still stands.

    Rebuttals?
     
  10. Darkmakr

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    I don't quite think it is. mugglenet published a theories book awhile ago, and while this might be a lot more in depth( i haven't read either) it's not infringement because you are still making guesses about the future of the books. if he was writing a story using the characters that's different. As far as i can tell, since he's referencing the entire book it's little more then a academic essay.

    I could be wrong and not understand copyright infringement at all, but that's my take on it.

    I can go down the hallway and read my roomates copy of whatever book and read it, is that stealing? whats the difference of sending the file around on the interweb?
     
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  11. TheProf

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    I can understand your position. The problem I have with taking your accusations seriously is that you have no credentials or data to back up your claim to infringement. We did our homework, trust me it's not infringement. You too can do a little research into copyright law and trademark use if you just take a little time and read up at your local library or internet connection. Not only that but we have a lawyer and we Intellectual Property experts at our disposal.

    So before you start making claims and defame someone's hard work try and do a little homework first. If anything this product helps to sell more books for JK, since inspires readers to reread the books to look for clues.

    The challenge was issued by JK herself when she said that she leaves clues behind for reader so they can know what to expect in the future. Using his skills and research abilities he was able to find the answers to many fans pressing questions. This "index" with reports and mini chapters helps guide studious reader to find the answers to their questions.

    This is in no way fan fiction. Only scholastic owns the rights to that privilege.
    I am not even sure where to start in answering your question. I think the Motion Picture Studios, Recording Studios, Software Companies and Publishers could answer that question for you.

    If you want to read your friends copy that's fine. But if he copies it and sends it to you that's no doubt breaking the law. Ask JK if she is okay with you scanning her book and sharing it on the internet. I believe she's already fried a few fish who have attempted.

    Edited. Just put it all in one post next time. Thanks. -Dark Syaoran
     
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  12. Dark Lord Rostam

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    You can obviously edit your post. Next time, just edit all your thoughts into one post, instead of three.

    As for infringement. This is quite different then Harmony. Harmony took the book, and edited it. It seems like he did no such thing. He gives ample credit where credit is due, cites everything, and is merely giving theories out. Not seemingly writing the 7th book.
     
  13. NamesAreUnimportant

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    Now you've gone and gotten me going. I was just playing Devil's Advocate. You know, it's funny you should mention homework and research, because I have coincidentally already done just that. My term paper in English last year was all about the legality of P2P File Sharing, of which I am an avid supporter. While this isn't completely relevant, my research that I did to back it is.

    Simply put, I have precedence in two court cases, one a Federal court and the other the Supreme Court, that can back me up when I say that a copyright has only been infringed if the third party makes profit. This is why all these P2P File Sharing networks are still active (for a full account of this, click here to view my full essay.) By the same token, it can be inferred that if profit is made the third party is liable.

    That being said, I haven't read this guy's book, so I don't know how well he did or did not cite the material. If he covered his ass, then I have no quarrel with either of you; I'm man enough to admit it when (if) I'm wrong.
     
  14. Xiph0

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    Fuck that.

    So you want to study a book of poorly structured and delivered fiction? Fantastic for you.

    Sounds as solid as contract work.
     
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  15. Midknight

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    Nah, no one's looking to expose it, I was merely pointing out that you guys need a better system, as anyone buying it could easily rip you off by an infinite amount of copies until you stop.

    As for the first post, it's called sarcasim if it sucked and folks still wanted to look at it.
     
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  16. TheProf

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    NamesAreUnimportant, I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence, I was merely trying to set the record straight that we have already covered our butts and have had "professionals" of the fields look at it and agree that we arn't breaking any laws.

    Xiph0, uh so I can see you arn't a fan of the Harry Potter fiction, not sure why you are on a Harry Potter fan forum.

    Midnight, yeah we could easily secure it better, but we trust the community for now and again nobody is getting rich off of this book. Instead of asking for donations for time spent, we sell the book dirt cheap.

    It's a fantastic compilation for fans and it's a get read. My thought in signing up for this forum was to answer questions and set the record straight that the website is no scam. I don't mind answering tough or negative questions, as long as they are thoughtful versus hateful.
     
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  17. nonjon

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    I'm sure the lawyers of the world would know better what sort of trademarks or intellectual property is restricted or fair use. But there's a massive difference between something like fan fiction and a work of non-fiction. This is a reference, this is information, this is theories that they believe are fully supported by the canon JKR has established.

    Now, while it'd be illegal to share one copy with another, this is still just an amalgam of information. I suspect a large majority of it could be found elsewhere. Whether that's mugglenet, or the lexicon, or other academics' papers on Harry Potter related subjects, the information is definitely out there. And while it would be plagiarism to copy from the book being sold here, they cannot stop you from drawing the same conclusions and presenting the information in your own words.

    I guess at this point though it's a matter of who wants one man's conclusions and massive amounts of information when the 7th book comes out in four months? Personally, I'd rather see the information provided freely in a website similar to the lexicon or however fits whatever data they're peddling as that at least doesn't have an expiration date the way this "book 7 secrets" seems to have.
     
  18. Manatheron

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    No, Dirt cheap is 50 cents for a hard copy, charging anything over that, be it $7 or $14 is extortion, expecally as it's only a virtual copy.

    'Fantastic Compilation'? I seem to recall Jeram telling us that it probably wasn't worth his purchase of it. As for File sharing it, you may want to look into some of the P2P networks as I could pull it from any of several dozen computers last I looked. The same goes for J. K. Rowlings works. The best part is that, legally speaking, you can't touch any of them for it, as none of them made a dime on it. :D

    Oh and FYI, I haven't read it, nor do I intend to, I'll stick with 'Fannon' it's a great deal more interesting than unconfirmed theory's, and the best part is that it's... Read this closely now... Completely Free!

    Later Sucker.
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  19. TheProf

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    Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Some like to be more flagrant about it than others. I would suggest reading all the threads before you decide to tell me about extortion. I am very aware of P2P and have been around it since the early 90's, so I don't need a lecture about it's legality or what's I can find in a P2P network.

    In a previous thread I was pretty clear about not really worrying about people sharing this book, since we haven't taken the steps to "secure it" per say. So if people are getting free copies, then that's what it is. An average ebook is around $30 bucks. This one is 14 bucks.

    As for your comments about the actual "theories" themselves (I say "theories" only because the general population sees them as still theories, when in truth J.K. has already revealed quite a bit), you show a bit of ignorance. Try actually reading the website, and subscribing to the free chapters. You will find a dozen references to concrete J.K. interviews, references to the book itself, etc. The website is after all called book7 "ANSWERS".

    Jeram's comments were actually favorable in my eyes. He called the index "fairly comprehensive" and he also bought a copy. If you want a more general view of the opinions of those who have bought this book I know of a couple thousand that email us everyday giving the author a ton of praise for his hard work. You can also see about a dozen of those in the form of a testimonial on the website itself.

    At any rate, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but slander is one thing and I will raise a voice against it.
     
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  20. Manatheron

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    I wasn't going to say anything else, but I just can't let this one go.

    You don't say? why I never would have guessed!

    'Fairly Comprehensive' is the same as saying 'OK, but incomplete' He bought a copy to look into it, and I applaud him for doing so.

    You do realize that I can go to FanFiction.net and look up any number of slash, Self-insert, Emo, Songfic, Ect. Writers that have exactly the same type of reviews don't you?

    Slander? Would a DLP member please point out the slander in any of the above statements or opinions? I can't seem to find it.

    I have nothing agaist the author of this 'book' I have nothing agaist him/her making money, and I really don't even have anything agaist you trying to give us 'Ignorant clods' a brief 'enlightenment'. Still doen't mean I intend to buy it.
     
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