Imagine being an adult and unironically using your status as 'Decent At Writing Harry Potter Fanfiction' as some kind of nuclear deterrent on a Harry Potter fanfiction forum.

 

If being 21+ y.o. meant you automatically had good judgement and would always act rationally, the world would be a much better place.

 

21?

I just imagine all the vets around here are around 28-40, lol.

Except for @Jon

She's obviously an immortal in the body of a 19yo Oppai Loli

 

I don’t think nmb’s actions are in dispute as being wrong. I think the larger issue (and what concerns most of us) is the liberal use of admin power when it’s unwarranted. Xiph0 didn’t have to mute/ban/whatever when Nmb was being snarky, but he did.

Honestly though, nmb’s comments sounds like something that had been building for awhile.

It doesn’t and shouldn’t turn into a debate, but I think giving Nmb the opportunity to make one post sharing his stance would be helpful.

 

The point was being an adult =/= rationality. Doesn't really matter what your age is. I saw some mom of 4 lose her fucking shit in Baskin Robins yesterday when the poor teenage girl at the counter accidentally charged her for an extra cup of ice cream. Like, bombarding people with soft serve level flip out.

 

She should probably be perma banned from Baskin Robins.

More importantly, I'd love to know what her opinion of Darius is.

 

I can't claim to know enembee, but we've exchanged occasional feedback on each other's writing for the last decade, and his outreach is the reason I joined this site . . . so I must say that this feels wildly out of character for him. He has always struck me as a thoughtful and enlightened guy, and one singularly invested in the betterment of both this site and the fandom in general. I'd be shocked if on one or both ends there isn't more to this story.

 

Ok, what? You Lag-banned NMB on the 9th and searched for way to ban him on Discord for 2 weeks. Did you inform him of the Lag-ban? Because from Jon's picture of the button, it seems the button is reserved for getting rid of people without being SEEN getting rid of people. Clicking that checkbox like you did is essentially saying "I want him banned".

Which is fine, NMB was being a idiot, but don't try reason away your decision. Your actions in watching him, recording him, muting and searching for 2 weeks to ban him on Discord, and lag-banning him. They show yes, you wanted him banned. You didn't want the... mess this has become. Nobody did (Except perhaps NMB).

And yes, as a Mod watching him is part of the job. Your post though makes it appear you took EXTRA interest with NMB.

 

Damn. Things have really gotten a bit strange while I’ve been lurking, working, and enjoying (most of the time, at least) being a father.

I obviously don’t know the whole story on a lot of the interactions between mods and long term members, but I’m a little taken aback that it’s gotten to this point. And speaking from a parenting point of view.. well, sometimes you have to punish yourself to fairly enforce the rules. Even if you only end up in that position because you put your foot in it a little bit.

Not knowing what else to really say, I’ll just share my opinion. Transparency is, in fairness, all we can really ask for in this situation. It is what it is.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Xiph0 literally post logs showing that things only reached that point due to nmb deliberately escalating and provoking shit? Because it it kinda feels like people want it so that they can harass mods as much as they want without there being any consequences for that sort of shit. Either that or they're still operating under some misconceptions about the timeline of events here, because I know I was definitely told what was apparently an inaccurate version at first.

It wasn't just nmb saying stupid shit to Xiph0>Xiph0 muting him everywhere and fucking with his account>C2 nuking. It was nmb saying stupid shit to Xiph0>Xiph0 punishing him only on IRC and keeping it totally contained there>nmb deciding to spend the next few weeks baiting Xiph0 and mocking him on Discord>Xiph0 figuring out how to mute people on Discord and also discouraging him on the forums>C2 bullshit.

So to me it seems like the only mistake the Xiph0 made, if you can even call it that, is the fact that he didn't wait a few hours for nmb to use the forums to continue shit himself before Xiph0 discouraged/banned him. Because outside of that it does seem pretty justified.

 

I don't know either enembee, Xiph0, or their history, but

sounds like enembee expected an argument and tried to avoid it. It sounds like they argue a lot actually. I'm not at all familiar with IRC, so no clue on whether the shadowmute comment was an unwarranted jab or a pattern of behavior. The rest of their chat looked like the typical internet debate of two people arguing two different things.

As far as I can tell it's just a matter of who do you want to believe is in the right, enembee or Xipho. Did enembee talk shit on discord the day after and deserve further punishment? Maybe. The only pic is from a week later, so I don't know whether enembee fucked up there. My own opinion is that discouraging is a stupid punishment. If Xiph0 didn't want him on the site for a week, should've temp banned him.

 

It’s a stupid punishment outside the obvious use - ban evaders - and I don’t think anything on IRC or Discord should be reflected with forum action. Keep punishments to their appropriate venues.

 

I personally think a better punishment would be to send the banned to a “prison” forum moderated by myself

 

This is big oof all around.

 

Great punishment then, don’t ya think?

 

Your new title amuses me.

 

It is, and I also think it was pretty damn dishonest to refer to it as "having his settings messed with on the forums" in the OP. It's a ban, a special kind of ban you use to avoid letting spammers/trolls know they've been banned, but it's a ban.

 

I'm correcting you because you're wrong and the last thing we need in this thread is muddling the timeline of events.

Your post makes it look like @Xiph0 only Discouraged nmb after nmb had a few weeks to talk shit on Discord, when from Xiph0's own post we know that the initial "does Darius suck" conversation happened on July 8th and then:

And to be certain, nmb's post from July 10th.

So no, nmb wasn't talking shit for 10 days and then got Discouraged. Nmb and Xiph0 had their catfight on IRC on the 8th, nmb was Discouraged on the 9th.

I won't speak for nmb and what his reaction might have been to ~10 days of having the Discouragement setting checked on his account and I'm not defending anything nmb did or said, or advocating his unbanning.

BUT.

The biggest consensus that has come out of this thread so far isn't about users wanting a license to antagonize mods, or even the need for mod logs to be publically viewable so we can eviscerate the unseen work of the staff.

The biggest thing people have agreed on is that the Discourage option is over the line and if us users can make suggestions on if we draw something from this mess to improve the site, it would be to keep the Discourage option for genuine shits like the infamous plagiarist, but don't use Transfiguration Discouragement as a punishment for other members.