Can anyone tell me how Sloth normally approaches playing as mafia? Looking towards @his fluffiness here.

 

Yeah this opinion on how to use a vote just... tracks so well with his stance on me

Would be pretty impressed with this consistent mindset if terraine is scum

 

Not sure I've ever actually played with mafia Sloth before.

 

I have a note about TerRaine being bros with Sloth in endgames that you talked about? Did I write this down wrong?

 

Why wouldn’t you be asking terrains here?

(This was going o be what I was going to ask bothe of them actually, but with a point me to a scum game of his request)

 

They were the mods in Endgames.

 

I would have rather had fluff's response and then TerRaine backing it up than the other way around.

Okay rip.

I'm putting what I have so far and we can tear down what I have. I basically have at least minorly good things about most people at the moment when it comes to Sloth so I'm wrong somewhere.

 

But okay knowing that actually changes/strengthens how I’d expect scum to interact with each other here. It’s even more important then for he scum team to go together as long as possible without losing each other, so I’d expect no bussing, maybe minimal distancing. Sloth made the setup so I’d imagine he’d have considered optimal planning. (There’s also something else I considered that might be important but I’m gonna hold off on that thought and flesh it out.)

 

I, uh, also misunderstood the setup i guess why would scum not get the bulletproof?

If true that might be an unfun level of townsided tbh. Would make a day 2 town victory possible.
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Yeah it would make scum more likely to want to shoot at eachother though.

Dont think theyd want to normally but corpse is better than no corpse i guess?

 

Cause if everyone has the ability its not really an ability. Might as well just say that scum can't NK night one.

 

As someone that could have easily asked similar questions as tammy and recieved that towncred...

Would have never occured to me that BP was part of roles rather than just a game mechanic.

Theres maybe an argument that scum tammy would have read the OP more carefully than town tammy and figured that out or questioned voxx about it, but its meh.
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Yeah thats what i thought this was.
But with the caveat they still have to avoid the watcher which is far more interesting

 

I was pretty determined that I wasn’t going to fuck up my understanding of a setup again, and read the questions and responses in the signup thread pretty carefully too. Oh well.

 

Why excluding me and mendel?

Scum wouldnt bus but that means more for the joiners than the originators?

 

Erm. Actually I’ll hold my thoight here.

 

Sloth Partner Equity Discussion:

I'm writing this, but I think how I snapped at Sloth and how I've evaluated him I wouldn't have done as a partner. I don't think I would opt to have voted him with other tenable options on the table like fluff and Jarizok, both of which I had earlier in the day been considering for one reason or another. This is mostly here for tom :v When I bus nowadays it's different than this. We can talk about it more if need be but I'd rather just clean through other people.

I'm removing Tammy and Mendel for what should be obvious reasons.

Tom doesn't interact and push on Sloth the way he did as his partner. I'm going to keep citing "dream of Sloth being a wolf" because I think that perfectly sums up the area that that happened in. Will not consider.

TerRaine has a "that's bait" reaction post to Sloth that I strongly believe is not partnery. I believe that Sloth thought that TerRaine was town when looking at his push towards her, citing his mindmeld-esque read of Keldeo's post with her. Her End Of Day wasn't spectacular when it comes to Sloth but I think the other reasons vastly outweigh the bad. Will not consider without incredible evidence to the contrary.

Keldeo hammered Sloth. They did so with a lot of hesitation. My current suspect of someone who was on the wagon. But a hammer's a hammer, not really considering toDay and even if I eliminate everyone else I'll need something more than how they dealt with End Of Day to feel comfortable lynching toDay.

Fluff is on the Sloth wagon. TBH I don't remember their interactions. Just sort of... don't believe they're partners. There's probably reasons behind this in my subconscious but they're the empty spot in my google doc. I should logically probably have them lower than Keldeo but I don't so it is what it is.

Jarizok was at the bottom of Sloth's reads list, heavily tied to their scum read on TerRaine. Goes out of his way to say they would be null other than that pair. I'm... not overly convinced that they aren't partners but there would have been some mental gymnastics that Sloth would have to do if Jarizok became a competitive wagon against most other people. Moving away from but not leaving entirely as an option.

CerberAsta was at the very top of Sloth's readslist, with twtbaw and "not being coached" as a forefront reasoning. Tom believes the read to feel pockety and that CerberAsta is likely just town outside of that. I'm currently disagreeing, I feel like both the positioning and the reasonings for them being town from Sloth is fairly perfect for a bro that's getting derpcleared. Especially the two quoted responses from Sloth to Cerber feel... limb. It's someone that I'm considering but in my heart of hearts know that I shouldn't be. Would love to be reasoned out of it.

Cobalt is pretty empty, I have a mild good note that Sloth seems fairly okay with Cobalt gathering shade with how he talks about them. But overall there's just not any interaction or any reasoning that eliminates them. Probably the most optimal lynch unless they push themselves into towniness or another more sure-thing partner arises.

So that's everyone, it's ordered. Jari and Cerber are about equal in my mind I think?
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Oh I made a note that fluff should be lower and isn't but them put him lower anyway.

I'd rather not lynch someone from the Sloth wagon if I can help it, basically.

 

Ooh that bolded shade.
I havent made a full solving post today. Only about for sloths team
Im still townreading cerber/terraine pretty hard. And have a few other townleans. Dont worry youre pretty little head there will be a full game rainbow wall eventually (or possibly two separate ones? Havent decided)

Of course you disagree that youre scum. Id be disappointed if you didnt.
But ive got reasons from your side too (chunk of posts where you chose jari over him and hedged on fluff, the one post encouraging tammys doubt).
I posted about why i was starting to suspect you yesterday separate from that.
Ive seen the reasons you think i should change my mind. I havent.

Yes disagree with my conclusion. Thats fine.
Disagreeing with my case is another matter and youve refuted nothing

 

Yeah scum don't get vests.

My guess is that day 1 we're not really supposed to be lynching a wolf, so when that happens it's slightly more balanced to have scum want to be shooting other scum. Also getting rid of "night 1 spk" is a mild bonus. But it leads to higher swing potential.

 

Fun thought:
The whole concept of tying your partners to townies is far more dangerous in multiball.
Cuz, like, that towny could be on the other team

 

I’m still on my phone, so I can’t cut down things right now, but the reads list I’m looking at is from
Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory Mafia

I think this is at an early enough point that he might not have been expecting to be lynched and therefore spewing, but eh.

Looking at the town reads here he’s got Cerber, Mendel and Tom for town.

The reasoning s for all three aren’t really that alignment indicative.

Cerber’s reasoning boiled down to he’s new and posting like a newbie. But there was another post somewhere where he’s responding to a scum read on Cerber that was something like (Cerber, really?), which didn’t feel like a partner read. I don’t know how confident he is as a partner and how he gives reads, but it just felt like something unlikely.

Mendel’s reasoning and treatment felt right yesterday and more so today knowing that he would have opened himself up to being nightkilled and losing it for his team. (Not that it hasn’t happened before, but.). But sloth felt very appeasey towards Mendel. Sloth felt in ways like he was trying to smooth things over with someone who could be a danger to him.

The Tom read is fluffy in that I don’t remember Tom being especially fun this game, and I wondered if the were having fun behind the scenes. Also answers questions directly so they’re not made up is just superficial, but in trying to find this post I came across some of toms posting at eod, and I’m not sure this is more partnery than it Is a read on someone he was kinda afraid of?
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I didn’t mean to hit reply

 

Honestly didn't really read it and am not planning on doing that today. I'd rather not be distracted by trying to think about whether or not you're coming from a townie or scummy place when you're not with Sloth. If I end up being a lynch candidate then I'll go more ham into it but until then I think from my side my pros outweigh whatever cons came up from Sloth's end.

Would be better if you would just destroy reasoning on everyone else, would love for you to knock me into Cerber town for instance.
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If you really think I'm Sloth's partner, noone else is, right?

Removing everyone else as potential partners helps your end game then.
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Also you probably were real in that bulletproof dumbtell.