So many people have said this I feel kind of obliged at this point to chime in, even if Cobalt is a wolf this game I don't think this is really alignment indicative, I think he's just going out of his way to try to be respectful towards me and wolf reading him for it is a mistake.

 

Cuthalion
Fontisian
Gemma
Reg
Sloth
Vaimes

The Waco Kid
Tom

Cobalt
Dels
Rubicon

Ampharos
Jarizok

vote: Jarizok

 

I take it back, I'm not bringing the table.

 

Hi cuth i acknowledge your presence and value you, what would you like to talk about?

 

@Sloth, you asked about Waco. I was initially (and still am to a good extent) hesitant to commit to a read there; I think his d1 was nothing special (the vote on wisp wasn't fantastic, but it was in vogue at the time) but I've liked his today. I really liked the way he came to his read on tom-- it sprouted out of a post where he was thinking out loud about NKA, and went from a "hm this makes sense worlds-wise" to an "I really believe this read and am willing to commit to it" in a very natural sense. I don't think he's likely to post himself clear or deviate majorly from the same sort of tone, and I think he's one of the people you read from things going on around him/PoE stuff than from his actual content.

 

*rather than from

 

Woooo tipsy.

@fontisian

1: Er, ignore it, I misread in my rush. Freakin' sloth, amirite.

2: Wanna consolidate some thoughts so I'll putting this in the backburner for now. If I don't do it toDay and we're still alive toMorrow, remind me then.


Btw @all, doesn't static mean "no movement"? What am I missing here?

 

I would like to take a break from my Dels iso to say that Amy posted this:

When the votes were like this:
Wisp (6): Fonti, Gemma, Waco, Cuth, Dels, Cobalt
Waco (4): Rubi, vaimes, terr, Wiisp
Cobalt (3): Sloth, tom, fluff

Abstaining (2): AkinaPuppy, Amy

And posted this:

When the votes were like this:
Wisp (5): Fonti, Gemma, Waco, Cuth, Dels, Cobalt
Waco (4): Rubi, vaimes, terr, Wiisp
Cobalt (4): Sloth, tom, fluff, fonti

Abstaining (2): AkinaPuppy, Amy

The difference between those two is how much danger Cobalt was in.

Also, here was Amy's d1 Cobalt read:

 

@Cobalt

Partly - thank you for answering.

The other thing was Gemma, but I see Vaimes asked already and you answered with:

Which...fair.

Still catching up. I see we moved to Cuth?

 

I mean, sure, I just don't really like it when people see they have a read that conflicts with mine and decide that they should drop their own read and adopt mine. I feel like it happens a fair bit and it makes giving reads less enjoyable for me, I don't want to dominate the discussion and be taller than everyone in the room I just want to sit and do my thing.

 

I actually pointed out those very things as things that were good about the case I didn't miss them.

Frankly, I'm ok with Cobalt's response about Gemma for now. I still don't think I understand what people mean by static so maybe that's just an ? for me.

As for the softball...what do you think that means for you? The person he approached with and supposedly softballed while scumreading?

 

Hi Cuth, sorry if you're town here but I'm just not really seeing you handling last night that way if you were and I think it's highly unlikely you're going to be able to convince me to move my vote here but talk to me about what makes you think Jarizoks scum, and maybe talk a bit about having Jarizok/Amy down in the bottom section of your reads list, are they a pairing you can see together? I guess I'll take words from you on Rubicon as well because that's a read that we have very very different here.

 

Cuth i want you to give me a reason to try to cfd amy or cobalt or something so bad, work with me here

 

Thank you, I do really appreciate it. Emotionally distanced myself from this thread after last night, which was good for my mental health, but that's making it a bit hard to work up a ton of motivation and not just roll over and let you guys deal with it.

I'm pretty lost in a worldbuilding sense, but feel better about our chances than I did d1 at this time; I think there's at least a reasonable village core solidifying, which is encouraging if nothing else.

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Amy's posts today-- I haven't taken the time to look back at yesterday and read the initial case in the context it was made, but she's not been playing how I'd expected after the d1 at all. It's been... both quite wordy and quite spacey, and now that I think about it is the jari case kinda what you were talking about in terms of her lack of originality? I think I'd expect more self-doubt and internal movement in her reads as v.

 

Dels things:

Spoiler

I kind of dislike this. I think Dels covers what Rubicon is doing well and I'm with him up until he says "Rubicon is a suspect." I feel like this explanation is point it favor of Rubicon being town, and the conclusion at the end should have reflected that. This is also me looking back with hindsight goggles on, and Rubicon's opening was kind of weird, so it's not a major point against Dels.

This post is bad from a "Dels is wrong!" perspective, not like an actual disagreement with how he got to his conclusion. I agreed with the stuff about Cuth's treatment of Wisp and the stuff about Wisp himself at the time, though both seem wrong now. The bit about Cuth's response to Gemma is pretty eh, I don't think that should be town indicative for Cuth, but I don't hate Dels for having the thought. The Ter read is fine, the Gemma read is fine, and the Vaimes read tends to happen a lot with people who don't know Vaimes that well.

This is also a pretty normal reaction to fluff.

Elaboration on the thing about Cuth. This is not great in hindset, because with this pov I feel like Dels should be more /there/ on Cobalt and Cuth, and probably not voting me, and yet, here we are.

Yeah, this is kind of an oof. Very likely Dels was ruling out votes on at least two scum, potentially three if he's town, heh. I actually like the start, because it showed him picking up on the "what if we're wrong and Wisp is just weird" feelings I also got. I don't hate him sticking with Wisp. The Cobalt bit stands out a bit because he specifically noted the irl reason thing, I'm not a fan.

He asked me about fluff just after this, seems like a fine way to try to flesh out his read there.

About my town read on Vaimes. I like it.

Votes were:
Wisp (4): Fonti, Gemma, Waco, Cuth
Waco (3): Rubi, vaimes, terr
Cobalt (3): Sloth, tom, fluff
Fluff (2): Dels, wisp
Tom (1): cobalt

Abstaining (2): AkinaPuppy, Amy
So he swung the yeet away from both Waco and Cobalt. Consistent with what he was saying before, still not a great look if Cobalt is scum.

He also then asked about my tom read, when I said I could just yeet tom. Some scum motivation there if Cobalt or Waco are mafia and Tom is town. Not particularly damning.

Tries to convince Amy on Wisp, I think his reasons are fine.

Notable that, opposite to Amy, Dels started to get nervous about his Wisp vote when Cobalt was in more danger of being the counter wagon.

And he seemed somewhat interested in Cobalt, maybe?

I feel like this exact thing happened the last game I played with Dels.

I kind of like this.

Stopping here for now.

I don't know @Regfan, I feel like Dels could easily just be a town having a bad game and a lot of bad reads. I still don't think Cobalt addresses him like he did Today unless Dels told him too.

 

Uh, I see that, but you're voting Jari despite scumreading Amy and she just posted a pretty bad case trying to get us to yeet him? That feels like a pretty major disconnect?

To be clear, I am open to killing Cobalt or Amy over you here. Maybe even Jari, if you can convince me.

 

I'm conf!biasing by thinking this slot is trying to save her partners on the chopping block by shoving onto Jari, right?

 

Cobalt/Cuth/Amy, got to yeet 'em all.

 

Work and my internet are picking a great time to not cooperate.

I'll probably be back in like an hour, feel free to dunk Cuth if that's too long to wait. Reg's probably town and thus his read's probably better than mine anyways.

I still think Jari's scum but I don't hate waiting a day on it if y'all are convinced his shit's NAI.

 

Gemma, Vaimes, Rubicon, Sloth, Fontisian] are all town, and none of them should ver be lynched; is important that everyone there starts to work together more from hereon out. There's 6 lynches total in the game.

Put aside those players and you've left with [Amy, Cobalt, Cuth, Dels, Jarizok, Waco, Tom] which is 7 names, so only need to get 1 confident town read in there (and JOAT stuff might just win it) and as long as there's no cannibalism this game is probably a locked win.

Obviously don't just blow through them, there's anti-alignments and things to consider, the main one inside that grouping is Jarizok/Cobalt and Jarizok/Waco are probably not W/W.

I've gone into Cuth already, I'm fairly sure he's scum here.

Have touched on where I am with Jarizok, but probably not really worth focusing on Jarizok first since in Cuth!Scum worlds it can really only be Jarizok/Amy, Jarizok/Dels, Jarizok/Tom and well I don't think Jarizok/Amy is likely, could be wrong but eh? But less worlds he's in.

Definitely think looking more at Dels - I'm not really sold on the anti-alignment thing Fonti posted about Dels/Cuth and think they do make a fair bit of sense as a pairing, think the night kill last night actually makes perfect sense in a Dels-Cuth world where you've got peoples suspecting pretty much JustTown, you've got some of the stronger town players pocketed by them and you don't want fresh eyes in the thread. Also think there's a case that can be made for them powerwolfing together through most of the game, and both jumping to try and tinfoil me/decredit me last night. Don't think any of this is a slamdunk type thing. I also have an issue with the lack of progression in some of their reads, and their lack of commentary about what Fontis posting last night did/does to their read given they were voting them. It's the sort of absence I think makes sense as mafia but not so much as town. Dels might still be town, but yeah, focus and attention looking into them will be needed, probably moreso if this is a hit which I think it is.

Also Cobalt (Timing of vote on Fonti looks pretty bad and pushing the Jarizok/Fonti agenda over while not really considering Cuth and trying to push him as town earlier definitely makes sense as a partner. Think Jarizoks point about his Fonti read and how he handled it re; Gemma is a real thing. Also agree with Fontis point on him just not having a lot of progressing/changing reads, and think it's been a lot of popping in when suspected more than natural play.

And a bit more on Waco/Tom in a mostly because I'm just like "what's my thoughts on Tom/Waco, uhhh I dunno" type way so probably should try and have people iron out their alignments a bit more.

Am inclined to give Amy a bit of leeway in that I mostly see them suspecting players (Waco/Jari) for things that I think are fair enough and understandable for someone who doesn't know their meta to do so, argument can be made that it's scum motivated and feels like them defending a partner I guess, but it's not the strongest. I think maybe Fontis point re; the possibility of Cobalt/Amy is the best thing I've seen so far about them, and in that it's better to just flip Cobalt before them, and if they flip scum just instayeet Amy. But yeah, also look more here tomorrow.