To be clear, I haven't been talking about it because I think that can be kind of tilting, and in a w/v world, it potentially pushes the town among you into being more pocketed.

 

You can always look it up, lol. I could be misremembering, but iirc I've been consciously trying to keep reads about that kind of pocketing between you two out of my written thoughts.

 

To be clear, if Cobalt's a wolf I don't think I am "pocketed". I came to a read of him independently, and yes we've been vibing, but if I think he's the most likely wolf, I will vote him. I admit I have reservations about it, but like I said my hope was to clear Waco so I could feel good about voting Cobalt tomorrow if needed. But you're right I do get kind of prickly over suggestions of being pocketed because it's a thing people often say about me even when it hasn't been true.

 

Anyway I just don't think I'm going to have time to read Amy's ISO or look at Vaimes again, so I might be at the limit of my ability today.

I'll keep reading when I have time, want Reg's responses, want Fonti to have time for what she needs, and otherwise will be fine with day ending whenever that's all done. I'll check in when I can.

 

It's not a you specfic thing. I think it's a pretty normal reaction.

Imo, the biggest problem here is that I have no idea what your wolf game even looks like, and you don't what mine looks like, and I respect you a lot as a player. So, I'm nodding along with what you're writing and feeling like you're town, and then the "what if" thoughts hit me.

 

I'm around and reading if anyone has something specific they'd like me to address/look at

 

Before @Regfan dies I'd like him to organize a consensus PoE lynch order based on the findings of today, as I'll be more comfortable whether or not I get yeeted based on that.

Also pls do not let me F3 or I will cry thank.

 

I refuse to tinfoil on Fonti, even though I think I expressed doubts about her earlier in the game

Having been a wolf with Fonti with her up my ass to not let myself get yeeted I doubt she's with Cuth/Amy for real.

 

Getting ready to leave for work. I'm looking through this section of posts from D2 right now, which are all in about a 150 post span starting around 1440. I'm kind of wringing my hands through this section. Do I think Dels makes these posts about partner Amy? Not sure.

Spoiler: Dels

With FOnti, I'm catching a little bit on what feels like resistance to the Reg's Cuth push, but more through pushing back paranoia towards Reg. It's weak and addressed a bit in the thread at that point but yeah

Spoiler: Fonti

With Cobalt, it wouldn't be the first time Cobalt's had an explosive misread like this but idk

Spoiler: Cobalt

@ Me if you need me to vote from work

 

I am here, are we yeeting Gemma?

Got to prep for a meeting and then I'll start catching up here.

 

Sorry...... I don't scum read her, like at all. If that's any consolation.

And it's very probably a case of I'm trying to order strength of town reads between well...3-4 townies, and that's just always going to lead me around a merry go round of "this person looks REALLY town, I don't think it can be them at all" -> "re-rereads another player and has the same thought with them, and therefore bumps them above the first player due to recency bias stuff". I don't think anything changes in terms of how I want you to treat Fonti here in that it's still a "never yeet outside of F3, and then well GL because if it makes it there it's one of the people I really didn't think was scum, and I guess that could be her given how good a scum player she is". I think some of your points about her in the post I'm quoting here are very good reasons for thinking she's town, and that post where she'd quoted Cuth reads and linked the meta-ish reads together definitely is a thought process I think is harder to come about as mafia.

Going to get to your Cobalt/Waco stuff in a second.

 

@Dels, RE; YourPost #3409 and Post #3559 about Waco & Cobalt, I'll preface this by saying that it's very possible, heck probably given I've just seen Vaimes has selfvoted that we're talking about two townies here. That said, I've never really shared the strength of town read you've had on Cobalt from his play this game, I've not really understood it previously either, and the explanation today of "what's his agenda/what's his angle, how's he trying to win as mafia" type thing is just...one I don't use or value as highly as you do. I've seen scum put themselves in bad positions dozens of times, I've seen scum do actions that are very high short-term gain, but very bad for them in the long term.

Onto your points about Waco here. I don't think Scum!Waco thinks he can spearhead well...any yeet to be quite honest, and I think if he's scum he's not attempting to push tom into the ground, more just 'do/post things', I did feel like there was a level of confidence in the read, and in his interactions with Tom with that push that I think is more likely to come from town. I agree with you that his lack of 'in-the-thread' progression on Cuth on D2 is definitely an issue, his explanation of where and what he was thinking about Cuth today however makes a lot of sense to me, and I think fits the way he approaches the game in more than a "scum trying to find an excuse to explain that back then" type way. If you're going to down the path of "Cobalts plan as scum was never going to bring him success", and it's not reasoning or logic I think I want to use myself, but if you do, then I think you should be attributing just as much of that to Waco; he's not really done anything to pull himself out of the PoE at all, and was quite clearly the lowest person on the totem pole when it was Tom vs Amy, as scum he'd probably want to do...something there because end-gaming comes entirely down to him.

If you're still around, and want me to spend some more time explaining what about Waco I actually makes me confident he's town, I'll do so, but I feel like Vaimes's posts are sort of a concession to a degree.

 

I’ll be around for a bit because I need to go to bed and wake up early.

Self-voting is not a confession, and the number of people giving that read makes me want to puke, honestly.

Vote me so you can completely rebuild your worlds already. All of this “I think Waco and Cobalt are town” talk is pointless when you’re just going to have to take it all back toMorrow UNLESS you rethink Dels or fontisian, and you should because whoever Amy’s partner is, I don’t think they’re in very much danger right now or she wouldn’t’ even CC’d. I can’t really play out in my mind what position the scumteam would be in if only Sloth and tom had trueclaimed.

 

fontisian is so fake.

“If you need an extra Day phase to be town, just ask! I’d be happy to yeet someone else!”

Please die.

 

Cobalt is more than happy to take the first out and do nothing else, again.

Everyone else I’m cool with pretty much. I’ve been tinfoiling Reg, of course, because he’s pretty much in complete control of the game and currently borking it, but that should only be a discussion had in lylo.

 

I mean, if Waco's scum the thing he has done to put himself in a good position is make big posts, do ISOs, look high effort in general, and try to fake a bit more "real solving" than Cobalt would've if he's a wolf. Anyway, like you said I'm aware scum sometimes just play badly, but yeah this is a way of viewing the game I like. It's just one tool though.

I don't have any more time to dedicate to the game today and yes I also agree it's almost certainly pointless so I'm basically at just leave any more legacy you want in case this is wrong, leave whatever answers cobalt (or fonti?) wanted from you and then I'm good for a hammer. I dunno who else hasn't voted, I can do it though, I don't mind taking the blame if wrong, but hopefully it just brings us to postgame.

 

...that would mean scum no killed twice.

 

Stranger things have happened. And it’s really not a likely world up until the moment it is.

 

If you want a legacy it's that I really don't see myself being wrong on Gemma/Dels/Waco/Fonti, probably in that order.

Yeah, definitely my last game until at least Aprilish next year.

^Took the words right out of my mouth when it comes to those reads from Cuth & Amy on Waco.

Eh, this isn't accurate. I've spent a fair bit of time going through your posts, and explaining why I think you're town here. I think it's Vaimes, and if it's not Vaimes then Cobalt. I don't really think anyone else here has any real chance of being mafia, so if it doesn't end after both of their yeets then it's very much a "you figure it out" type situation IMO.

 

I think most of the PoE is town. If people are hellbent on leaving fontisian alive, you have to consider really low-odds worlds like Regfan. Otherwise you have to go in circles trying to re-contextualize all of the Waco rereading.

Like I guess I could just be seriously misreading Waco or Dels because I suck. But I just don’t think either of them is scum.