It depends on your comp and weapon a little bit.

The more Atk buffs you have (Bennett, Noblesse, Sara, Tales), the better ER gets comparatively, while if you're vanilla 'no buff' Raiden, then Atk% is notably better. And of course, ER scales best with her banner weapon.

Realistically, ER/Atk sands and Atk/Electro goblets are interchangeable, use the one with better substats.

4 weeks farming, 1 (terrible) ER sands here, so I'm just praying to get a usable sands or crit helm for her...

The new domain doesn't feel too terrible to farm though, since like you said, it's good for a lot of people.

 

if you haven't seen it already:


and of course ppl are already memeing it.

Spoiler

 

Pretty good tier-list for those of you with a bunch of characters you might not be using, and should be.

The only one I disagree with is Beidou, she should be higher, but still solid.

 

Explanations for each character being where they are. If you just want to see the result, skip to the last 5 minutes.

They don't just say 'Qiqi is trash. B-tier' they explain that. Where she could be useful too etc.

You can go in the description and see timestamps for each tier too i guess.

 

Beidou and Diluc should be one higher, Xiangling and Xingqiu prooobably one lower.

It's kinda crazy how Xiangling has been gradually increasing in value and popularity as time goes on.

Video was pretty annoying also basically just uses Abyss F12 character usage data to form this tier list, but there are many worse tier lists.

 

F12 Abyss is the only challenging content? lol.

I think XingQiu will drop if we ever get another hydro applicator, as it stands, he does amazing damage and basically enables Diluc to exist as a character.

XiangLing finally pushed herself into that tier for me only recently. Before, it was kinda annoying how much you had to feed her particles and the like, but now with Severed Fate and The Catch, her one weakness was taken out back and shot. Particularly if (like I assume most do) you have her C6.

 

That list gets general placement mostly correct, but has several notable ranking derps.

The small text for this list says that 5s are C0 and 4s have some constellations (I take that to mean they have their 'most important' constellations).

C6 Xiangling and Xingqiu are only top tier in certain comps (like national team). Hu Tao without C1 and Homa is not SS, lolwut. Childe without his cooldown refresh constellation is barely equitable to even C0 Diluc.

C0 Jean, Diluc, and Albedo shouldn't be as low as they are. Like... the dude put them on Yoimiya tier. Gtfo.

Putting C6 Noelle that low is a fucking joke.

Tldr tier lists are shit. Always.

 

What? C6 Childe is utterly pointless. There is absolutely no reason to stay in dagger form for more than the duration of art set buffs, and it's up again after you're done reapplying whatever fireworks setup you have...

The only useful thing about c6 Childe is to be lazy while in the overworld.

And... you're so, so wrong about XiangLing and XingQiu...

Diluc is absolute bottom tier without XingQiu. If he's not vaping or melting, he's pointless...

Did you watch the relevant sections or just see the final tier list and opine? lol.

Edit: Oh, I've never used Hu Tao though (not even for her free trial, she utterly disgusts me lol). Can't speak to her strength at c0.

 

I watched the whole thing, and I wish I hadn't.

I know you're a Childe guy, so I'm not going to argue about that with you.

Xiangling and Xingqiu are very meh on their own without each other or without other optimal elemental partners (Bennet, chongyun, mona, swirlers, etc). I have both of them at 80+, C6, high talents, and optimal sets. They are amazing in the right comps, but if you try and solo or duo content with them, you will be disappointed. They don't shine on their own.

You bring up this point about Diluc only being useful in melt/vap, but if we're judging Xiangling/Kazuha/Mona/Xingqiu/Sucrose/etc on the op-ness of their comps, then you can't just ignore Diluc's optimal comp.

Again, Tier lists are shit.

 

My brain is breaking reading what you say about Xiangling, then reading what you say about Diluc.

First, Diluc is pretty much tied to XingQiu, he needs him to function. So much so I never use him without Xing tied to his hip, and when I do use him, he has to be the one on the field.

XiangLing presses Q, fucks off and one of the most busted bursts in the game just swirls around forever doing bonkers damage while you're doing amazing damage with your applicator. Childe, XingQiu, Ganyu, Mona, Sucrose etc.

Diluc is great! He can do a lot of damage...not like XiangLing though. If you have her geared as you say, I don't know how you can think of her as meh man. It feels like we're playing different games.

 

It seems to me Khaaan is comparing supports/sub-dps with carries that require on field time. Saying XQ alone is shit, yeah well duh. His job is to Q/E and go off and keep doing damage/reactions, not hogging on field time. If I used the same metric for Diluc, he stops dealing damage the moment he's off field and so is obviously totally garbage, so is for that matter Hutao or Xiao. Which is why I'm not comparing them with each other, but others of their class.

 

Well yeah. I kinda have to as the tier list is clumping them all together in one ranking system, using abyss usage as the major metric. Role conflation is yet another reason why tier lists are shit and you should never pay attention to literally any of them.

 

The entire reason for tier lists (and the explanation for their placements) is actually so vitally important is because of the garbage resin economy.

Investing in a character fully takes a whole lot of time. Particularly carries (whether on-field or off). Knowing where to spend your resin, and on whom, is the reason for tier lists in GI imo.

It's why ZL is so deservedly rooted in the #1 spot. While not nearly as arduous to gear as a dps, if you have him, gearing him is an invaluable way to spend your resin.

Ditto Kazuha (though the tier list assumes c2 i think. If you don't have him, Sucrose c6 probably just edges him. Theoretically, I've never used him).

It's why XiangLing is so high. Gearing her is very worth it. The damage on her Q is only eclipsed in the game by a brand new 5* unit (and Ayaka's is much trickier to target), and probably Beidou in exactly 2 target cleave only (at c4 obviously). She also does it from off- field.

The point I think being made is you will get more bang for your buck (resin) by spending it on XiangLing over Diluc. Not that Diluc is garbage,XiangLing is just super powerful, flexible and better in the hardest content in the game.

Feel free to call it shit and pointless. I'm over it now. I'll tell you what though, if i just came into this game and had both Beidou and Keq,I might assume the latter is better bc of the rarity. I'd find an explanation for why that's not the case pretty valuable given how much it costs to invest in a character.



As an aside, Venti is about to get a hell of a lot better again. Apparantly they're reducing the weight class of the Nobushi, thank christ. They're so annoying.

 

Anyone here going to pull for Baal? I used to be in the "hell yes" corner and saving primos since ZL's banner, but the more I see of her the less I feel I actually need her. I got a c6 Fishl for my electro needs and Baal doesn't seem to improve any of the teams I'm using. Just the fact that she's electro discourages me from pulling her.

At the moment the only reason I'd pull is because she's an Archon and that's a meh reason anyway. I guess I'll do her test run, wait till other people test her and see the numbers. Otherwise continue saving for Ganyu rerun lol.

 

Here's the thing. A lot of the more powerful characters in the game are 'balanced' (using that term kinda sarcastically) by having bursts with high energy costs.

Aside from her burst doing a fuck load of damage (this will be tested, but the numbers are pointing to...really high), she also seems to combine that with being the best battery in the game too.

Raiden looks like she's gonna continue the Archon trend of being just an insane support character.

She batteries with her autos during her burst restoring energy per swing iirc. So it just rockets the carries with really high energy costs into another strata (Eula seems to be the most obvious synergistic pairing with super conduct and having terrible energy gen herself).

Raiden also has a mechanic that boosts her burst damage based on stacks of 'Resolve.' These are gained by spending energy on the other characters of your team, the more energy your burst costs, the more resolve they give Raiden. The more resolve, the more burst go boom the next time she uses it.

So her play style is looking to be (assuming everyone's burst is up) use all the bursts before switching to Raiden and then going boom, before refilling everyone's energy after going boom, then rinse and repeat (not sure how much actual energy she regens, so it might not be that smooth).

So obviously wait if you're not sure. I think she's an easy summon, esp since we're getting a free r5 weapon that'll go perfectly on her.

I don't think she'll be as seemingly impactful as Kazuha? I'm not sure. The damage numbers are all theory atm, and we're not gonna see her at 10 skills levels for a while given she needs the new boss talent mats.

Personally though, one of my least favourite parts of Genshin combat is swapping for the sole purpose of generating particles. I love how they made that much more fun with Raiden.

Electro MC is also a really good battery though. So unless you're a degen like me and just want her to step on you repeatedly while scolding you, just wait.

 

The energy generation seems to be the problem from what I've seen. She is very good at it, but just shy of the marker where you could forgo the use of a battery. So that limits the team building quite a bit.

Guess I'll wait for the Chinese players to say their piece, they're always very meta focused, compared to the Japanese at least. I was looking at the sales figures for Yoimiya and CN was pretty cold on her, but JP was buying her quite a bit.

 

I just did a bit of napkin math.

Every percent of energy recharge above 100% gives her .6% extra energy gen from her burst.

The magic number to hit is 300% ER on her. 200 x .6 is 120% extra energy.

After 5 swings, she generates 12.5 energy+120% is around 28 energy regen per burst (you have to swing at least 5 times to get max energy)...

Not even counting particles... that's pretty awesome.

 

As far as I can tell in terms of maximizing team/roster effectiveness, her best points are being an energy battery and boosting her teammate's burst's by ~22-30% which is certainly good ... but doesn't really help most carries or work in most teams.

There are two 'competitive' electro teams (compared to melt/vape/freeze), one with Beidou Fischl XQ Sucrose electrocharged elemental mastery shenanigans, and the other as superconducting for phys carries (basically just Fischl, and Electro MC for Eula). Properly chaining Fischl e and q (especially with c6) is much higher damage and more reliable electro application. Beidou also has nuts burst damage that she can provide from off-field. Electro MC just about matches Baal battery without any of the damage.

So in the first team, she could take Fishcl's spot and support Beidou main dps, and she'd be optimal for Eula support ... but that's about it. I'd even say she might not even be good in other phys carry teams because she would take time away from the main carry and her burst damage might be lower damage output than staying on main dps, but there aren't really any other phys teams. And for both teams, you probably wouldn't get more than like 20-30% damage increase at best compared to using Fischl or Electro MC. She could maybe fit into a quick swap team in the future, but the current quick swaps that do well are basically just Xiangling abuse with melt or vaporize with a touch of Sucrose/Kazuha or triple Geo.

Pulling some of my reasoning from TenTen, who I think is pretty level-headed and analytical about value in terms of bang for your buck. Basically, from what can be seen pre-release, pulling her only helps two like A tier teams, which is fine, and she can definitely still help 36* with enough investment (like with every character in this game) .. but you could also spend those primos on someone who could do more. Being Electro just kinda screws using her compared to other optimized comps.

That being said, I'm definitely pulling for Baal. (Disclaimer: my main Abyss teams are Qiqi/Diona, Ganyu, Venti, Mona; and Diluc, Xingqiu/Albedo, Zhongli, and Bennett )