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Abandoned Harry Potter: Knowledge is Power by SerpentSannin - M

Discussion in 'General Fics' started by dragaan, Jan 21, 2008.

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  1. Samael

    Samael Second Year

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  2. mathiasgranger

    mathiasgranger Slug Club Member

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    You all do realize that the idea of an advisor for the tri-wizard champions was around long before jbern used it, right?

    jberns incarnation is surely one of the more memorable uses though....

    Newest chapter was....ok. Readable but not particularly amazing.

    3.5/5.
     
  3. Renzhoulawyers

    Renzhoulawyers Sent Back to India

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    why is this in the bin?
     
  4. The Mysterious Nobody

    The Mysterious Nobody Auror

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    Because it belongs there, even though most of us fap every time the author updates.

    We like it? yes.

    It's an excellent story? No

    That's why.
     
  5. Augurey

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    To paraphrase the witty lyricists behind Weasley Is Our King, this story was born for the bin.
     
  6. mathiasgranger

    mathiasgranger Slug Club Member

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    It's true, there are times that we can revel in cliche-ness. This story is one such example of that....

    Arnold Schwarzenegger in 'Commando' is just one other example of this that comes to mind.
     
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  7. nonjon

    nonjon Alumni Retired Staff

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    I'd disagree that reveling in clicheness is the appeal here but I'll agree with metaphor. I correlate it to Hollywood. There's a difference between summer blockbusters and awards season fare. In baser terms, it's the difference between entertaining and good.

    The best stories are both entertaining and good, but they can also be just one of those characteristics. A movie like "Harold and Kumar" is immensely entertaining, I would heartily recommend it, but I don't think I'd categorize it as "good" and it's not the type you'll see picking up any oscars. A movie like Schindler's List is powerful, tells an important story, I might even call it "great", but it was boring enough the first time. I won't be catching it again on TNT any time soon, but if I'm flipping channels and I find something like "Super Troopers" on, I get sucked in every time.

    To me this fic's many cliches aren't enjoyable and if anything I like the fic in spite of them. But it's very entertaining and I've been excited every time I've noticed it updated for the past ten chapters or so.

    So yes, it's very entertaining, but with all of its faults, I can see it fitting either the library or trash bin.
     
  8. White Rabbit

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    Edit:Fixed...

    I just couldn't get into the story. I read it awhile back and got to the point of the jam sessions with mum and Hotel California being their favorite song. I know the author took out some of these things, but I'm still wary to read something like that.
     
  9. Sol

    Sol High Inquisitor

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    I would probably enjoy this fic a lot more if the author would stop cutting and editing scenes from Casino Royale and putting him in his and hoping no one will notice.

    The largest of these being the scene in "360" a couple of chapters back where Fleur and Harry are psychoanalyzing one another. The idea is taken directly from the train scene in Royale. So is the poker game idea, I imagine. The scene with Harry using a lap top to zoom in on an island, there's also a similar scene in Royale.

    Overall, they don't detract from the story heavily, but I'm still waiting for Harry to ask for his Coke shaken, not stirred. Then, when someone asks him who he is, he'll smugly reply, "Potter. Harry Potter."


    3/5.
     
  10. SKsniper128

    SKsniper128 Fifth Year

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    My god now that would be hilarious. But he needs the expensive suit and the hidden handgun in order for that to work...
     
  11. Bucks

    Bucks Headmaster DLP Supporter

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    I believe why most people like but dislike this if if you will, is because it is the only decent one that updates regularly (More like weekly, the author is a machine). True there are few good one's out there but the update's are rather slow.

    My best guesse is that when people say pass time with it, they actually mean that they can't find the one's they are looking for as it will take another 2 months or so to update.

    As for me. I like it. The plot is diffrent and that is for now all that matters for me. On FF.net in particular originality is a complete 0 at the moment.
     
  12. Humbolt

    Humbolt Seventh Year

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    No. Most people don't like it because the author has nothing better to do with his time than write fanfiction. They dislike it because it is clichéd, and has many elements that require the reader to suspend their disbelief more than is usually required for fanfiction.

    I shall list some of them for you. (Note this list also contains clichés found in this fic.)

    1. Two Uber-prodigies are in the same year at Hogwarts. While I am not saying this is impossible, in such a small community like the British wizard one it is highly unlikely.

    2. Harry plays guitar, and the author has stated that he will have jam sessions with his mother when she wakes up. The only jam sessions Harry should have with Lily are the kind that will make Vash proud. (Sorry to whomever originally posted that, but I can't be bothered to find your name.)

    3. Harry has found a way to make electricity work in areas of high magical concentration which, according to cannon, is impossible.

    4. The author tries so hard to make Harry 'cool' that any character flaws he might have (like his aloofness) only serve to enhance said coolness of the character.

    5. Archades holds true love for Stephanie. Sixteen year olds don't have true love forever bullshit. You don't make life decisions when you are sixteen. The reader can already tell that Archades and Stephanie are going to get married. The only sixteen year olds that get married are the pregnant ones. (And the fundamentalist Mormon ones, but that’s beside the point.)

    So in conclusion, the people at this forum do not dislike this story because of the update rate, but because of aforementioned reasons.
     
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  13. Bucks

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    Which 2. If you mean Archie then he is not really a prodigy. Archie is talented at potions. You don't see him do anything with transfigurations do you. His skill lies in potions making. Something he has been using since he was what 5/6.

    The only prodigy in KIP is Harry himself. Well at least he is not Pussy!Harry or even manipulated. He is someone who grew in a loving enviroment looking to heal his mother.

    Meh. I'll complain if he and Lilly are guitarist, credric a drummer and Arxchie a singer if the ever decide to make a particularly emo rock band.

    So it had to happen sometime. Humans have been doing things like that since...Well forever. Discovering things, experimenting with them. If Harry found out how to do it, I'm not going to complain.

    I'll give you that one. He does seem to go out of his way to make him seem cool.

    My only complaint is that he didn't go out and play the field. You would imagine he would be Sirius's little protege. It could be that he had a crush on her which in time developed to love. And if i'm not mistaken James had "loved" Lilly since their first year.
     
  14. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Death before divorce. Proves absolutley nothing. The more I read this thread, the more I seriously doubt my descision to read it. But as Napoleon once said, "Fuck it".
     
  15. Humbolt

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    I'm almost positive that you can be a prodigy in a single field but oh well. And you can't say that Archie is just talented, because he is very close to finding a cure for lychopanthy.
     
  16. ramadden13

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    I think Archie can at least be partially explained. He's thrown himself into learning as much as he could about Potions since a young age. If you combine that with natural talent he could be explained.

    Harry is probably over-powered, but I can live with it. I guess it's just a matter of preference. At least the author attempts to explain why Harry is powerful and it took him years to get this good, not just a summer like in a lot of fics.

    I cringe at the thought of jam sessions with mommy, and I pray that he changes his mind. The chapters are getting better, and luckily the guitar only shows up at Christmas and can easily be skipped. The update speed is definitely a plus for this story, and I can live through a few cliches, magical sword, guitar, etc.
     
  17. Lightning_Fury

    Lightning_Fury Sent Back to India

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    Honestly I'm just gonna say that ignoring some of the cliches and stuff in this fic, not only does it rival nonjon in the ability to make me laugh but it has some pretty cool ideas and writings in it also. The whole story itself I think is great. Also, to quote someone above about why this is in the bin because it is a good story but not excellent, there are loads of stories in the dark arts and independent section that are horrible and outdated. This probably should of made the independent section at the very least.
     
  18. Jenkins

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    These last 10 posts and that was like the only interesting thing, that hasn't been repeated. Napoleon said "Fuck it"?
     
  19. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Didn't you pay attention in history class? Right before everything went to shit Napolean screamed "FUCK IT". Some details may be highly accurate assumptions.
     
  20. Sol

    Sol High Inquisitor

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    I don't really mind the jam session thing so much. I can just skip over it if it's retarded, and I don't find Harry playing an instrument so out of place, even if it is just an device the author uses to plug in his favorite songs.

    As for the two prodigies being in the same year, I don't find that too unbelievable. Archie's genius seems to be confined to potions, yet he seems pretty smart over all. It's not that unusual for an intelligent individual focusing his all on something to excel at it. Besides, look at Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Two geniuses, met, became friends... etc (shudder).

    I don't see how the author uses Harry's aloofness to make him more 'cool.' To me it's just how this Harry operates. Obviously a lot of it is the author's idea of cool, but that doesn't bother me all that much as he writes Harry pretty well and consistently. I could be wrong though.

    A couple of things that do bug me: Lupin and Tonks. I'm not quite sure why everyone seemed to think it was okay that Lupin was perving over a chick that just finished her 6th year, let alone her parents finding it amusing, but whatever.

    Secondly there's Sirius being used as nothing more than comic relief. His character and his relationship with Harry seems to have been for the express purpose of Harry getting a motorcycle and little else. Flitwick and McGonagall have more face time than this S.O.B.

    And lastly, I was really hoping not to see everyone and their wand paired off. And wtf is Gabrielle at Hogwarts? Isn't she 9? Or did she get the 2 year upgrade too?

    Anyway this fic isn't too bad, though I'd like to see Harry have some trouble on his quest to heal himself and his mother. So far the headaches have been a complete non-issue thanks to super potion. :x

    Despite my criticism I find this fic enjoyable, if not the best written and what have you.

    Direct quote from Waterloo
     
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