I'm fairly sure that it is stated in Death Masks that it was good old Lucy who imprisoned his most rebellious followers in the coins so that they wouldn't spend all their time screwing with him. Other than that Vash just wtf-pwnd you guys... I'll edit if I can find the quote.

 

I'm pretty much positive Death Masks never said that. Ive gone over it about four times now, more in some parts, for Winter's Night. I never saw that anywhere.

Also, that makes no sense. Further explanation below, but as well, if Lucifer did it himself, why would he then help them in Small Favor? It's not just illogical, its plain baffling.

Honestly, the Denarians make little sense, but from what I can glean of them, even in the coin, they still need permission to possess the host. The only difference I can see is, in the case of Denarii like Uriel (the insane bear thing) is that they'd torment the guy who has the coin into accepting.

I don't disagree with Denarii have far more chance to make an impact upon the world than the Fallen in Hell.

But answer me this. Assume you have a legion of Fallen sealed in Hell with little to no influence on the world and you have 30 on Earth. Also, for the sake of this argument, assume that even if they are free roaming, they still have to obey the same laws as those in the coins. What would you rather have?

30 free roaming Fallen, free to do and act as they please?

Or

30 Fallen sealed in thirty silver coins, who have to wait an untold amount of time between people picking them up?

 

Ouch....

Ouch...

Arguing with Vash leads to hurt, EOS... Yes, I was pwnt, hard. Alright. You guys think I should drop the story?

Actually Kalas kinda did my idea in with the malice, anguish, suffering thing.

If you suggest changes, I'll work 'em in. Maybe he somehow finds the Watcher, Idk worth a shot.

If any of you want to help rather than just own me left and right I'll accept it. I've got nothing going except my D.Gray Man story any way, I sorta got writer's block on my Hp one.

Sorry to disappoint with my lack of retorts that would spawn more pwnage at my expense.

Hope seems more lost than a small boy in Nyc for this one.

 

Well as a normal hum-drum human I'd prefer option b.

As Lucifer I'd want to have as much influence as possible. If this meant that the bound 30 were still bound by the rules (you can only do to them what they give you permission for) in regards to the host, but could do whatever the hell you wanted to every other puny human on Earth... I'd bind those 30 faster then Yahtzee can say 'triple-cunted hooker'.

EDIT: Flack, you're idea, in principal, isn't bad. 'Daniel comes under not-so-holy-angel influence. The problem we had was you changing the OotBD.

Truthfully I think Daniel, under the influence of a Fallen, would go on a bit of a rampage, a la Molly, then think 'what the fuck am I doing' and repent. Having the Watchers as a different entity/organization then the OotBD would work far better for your story.

 

Hold on one sec. This thread seems to be derailing in seven different directions.

Addressing On Topic (as best I can tell what is on topic):

Frac~ Do us a favor, give us the particular Grigori/Watcher mythos you are following. It will help explain where you are coming from. Also a character sketch of your Watcher would help. Reading the whole thread I think part of the 'discussion' taking the turn is because it isn't clear what you are going for.

In general what you have revealed of your idea is insufficient. 1) Daniel gets a coin. 2) Daniel has feelings of unworthiness or being unloved. 3) These two combined don't result in instant ritualistic murder of the Carpenter family.

So what are you seeing for the conflict in the story? A family piece with Michael trying to save his son. His son trying to show he doesn't need saving, etc? I am guessing there is an angle here with the watcher's nature being different than the other Denarians.

Now the Denarians, as described, are singularly malign. Whether it is a partnership or complete dominance.

If you are going to change that major characteristic of it, give it some background which explains the paradigm shift for a Denarian Fallen.

I think I will hold back on other comments until I know a little more about your idea.

 

The problem isnt that the idea sucks, Frack. What sucked was you trying to rape stated canon to the point that it was hideously different and not even recognizable as canon, for no particular reason.

Thats a no-no. The Watchers (Grigori as they are more commonly known as) aren't a part of Lucifer's Rebel group. They would have no ties to the Demarian order in any way.

The Grigori are most commonly known for the fact that they were angels who wanted to sleep with human women. Not much reason to hang around Daniel.

Now, if you took a Fallen Angel or demon from the Ars Goetia, you could probably tack them on as an as of yet unknown denarii. The idea of one of Michael's kid as a Fallen's Host is interesting. Leads to a lot of interesting conflict and Drama. Most of it character based and not action wise, so if you want flash and flair, not really much reason to have it here.

My only problem was the rape of the Order. If you can work a reasonable way to join Daniel up with the Watchers, go for it. But dont rape them both.

 

Thanks?
I apologize for canon rape.

I wouldn't rape Daniel either way, though.

At least you guys didn't rip me apart for my writing.

Alright, I'll grab DM, PG, and WN and try to come up with a new idea for tomorrow, or later on tonight. Unfortunately my Aunt has my copy of Small Favor, so I won't get it back until I head to work on Monday. I'll run it by you guys again and hopefully it won't be terrible.

~Peace

 

Yea, I stand corrected it isn't in Death Masks, still I could have sworn I read that some where...

As for Small Favor the way I read it was that the Denarians literally did not have enough magical power/muscle to do what they needed so they went up the line to someone who did.

 

It was stated in Jim forum, as I stated in another Thread. The exact wording was...

Which suggests that Lucifer put them in the coins.

P.S. the topic on Jim's forum was about the destruction of the coins.

 

Ahahaha thank you ryuugi, thats where I saw it, I lurk over there a lot, here I thought I was going crazy.