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Potter Law | December 22, 2007

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by BioPlague, Dec 23, 2007.

  1. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    Point. And a collection like that wouldn't limited to only Dark Arts spells, either; rather, they would be included between other interesting spells. However, the idea behind that, from a pureblood point of view: to preserve knowledge? No one can remember everything, after all.

    And also, another idea for books that could contain Dark Arts spells: notes and manuscripts from wizards that researched them; past 'Dark Lords'? ... that would be those the ministry is desperately trying to get their hands on, to destroy them or at least lock them away in the darkest corner of their deepest dungeon.

    However, usually, that works not to a hundred percent. There are always a few transcripts around. The ministry is not all-powerful. If they are not clever enough to find the hidden room at Malfoy Manor, they are not clever enough to track down every single copy of every book containing Dark Arts ever written.

    Point in case, if you accept DH as a source (which is always questionable, look at Potter Law II add. 2; regarding Bellatrix' ridiculous death), Dumbledore had "Secrets of the Darkest Art" in his study; a book that contained information on how to make Horcruxes.
     
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  2. Banner

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    What is even more aggravating:
    As I remember, Tom Riddle found it in the Library.
    That plot idea was simply insane.
     
  3. Palver

    Palver High Inquisitor

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    Yeah, that was unbelievable. Book with instructions on splitting your soul using murder (amongst other things) laying innocently on a shelf in a school? Before DH I always thought Riddle must have gone to a great lenghts to get that kind of information, using some brilliant methods of manipulation or blackmail or something..After DH I was simply disappointed.
     
  4. Koalas

    Koalas First Year ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Well it wasn't exactly a step-by-step guide was it? From what I remember it was a vague referance to Horcruxes/Immortality that interested Riddle enough to research them further.
     
  5. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    Oh yes, it was exactly that -- a step-by-step guide. I just opened my DH copy ...

    And also;

    I'd completely forgotten about that! You know, back when I was reading every H/G-post-HBP fic I could get my hands on -- I swear there was one, where they did exactly that. Summoning a Dark Magic book out of Dumbledore's personal study by saying Accio book about Horcruxes? O RLY?


    Addendum to ... some rule about books and Dark Magic:

    Canon-reversal No. 2:

    Hermione did not get all the information needed to create and destroy Horcruxes by summoning a book out of Dumbledore's study.

    Voldemort protected a Horcrux from Summoning. Dumbledore is no slouch at magic, either, and did the same for his entire office; after all, he stores sensitive data there, especially prophecies in Pensieves.

    Also, according to latest studies, the existence of a book including a step-by-step guide on How To Make Your Own Horcrux seems debatable in itself.​

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    Edit:

    But yeah, that effectively kills 'Secrets of the Darkest Art' as a proof of any kind. I still have the above opinion about the Ministry and Dark Arts books, though.


    Edit #2:
    Yeah, that sums Deathly Hallows about up.
     
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  6. Koalas

    Koalas First Year ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    .....ok.....so.....yeah.......
     
  7. Tehan

    Tehan Avatar of Khorne DLP Supporter

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    Why do I get the feeling that the suggestions are starting to degenerate into an outraged list of plot holes?
     
  8. Wildfeather

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    Because they probably are...
     
  9. Warlocke

    Warlocke Fourth Champion

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    Mine was more about outrage towards bad 'Marauder Era' fics. I definitely see where you're going, though.

    How about this one...

    NEW LAW:

    Sirius Black's Animagus Form Was NOT a Grim!

    Sirius Black's animagus form was a big, black, dog. Just a dog. Just an ordinary dog.

    Furthermore, the Grim is a myth. Dragons exist, unicorns exist, even banshee and red caps exist, but The Grim is just a folk tale, even among wizards.

    Wizards and witches claim to have seen it, just like people in real life claim to have seen Black Shuck or any other number of spectral black dogs and hounds of ill omen, but the fact is that it's just another folk tale.

    It's not even mentioned in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them because, even in the Wizarding World, it's nothing but a spooky story that grandpa says happened to his grandpa's best mate's uncle.

    I can only repeat myself in so many different ways. The Grim is just a mythological bogey man, even to magical folk and, even if it were real to them, that wouldn't change the fact that Sirius only changes into a standard, crotch-licking, leg-humping, mutt of a dog and nothing more.

    Hmm. It establishes this as a rule, but it is only pointing out to the unwashed masses the facts as they are in the book. Not a plot hole, just a canon fact people either don't get or choose to ignore.

    Besides, how retarded is it to read Harry saying, "And my godfather could change into a Grim." Ugh. Who thinks that sounds cool? :rolleyes:
     
  10. Raijin

    Raijin Slug Club Member

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    How about this then?

    Ancient Magic is NOT all powerful

    No matter how much one may want to use some ancient ass ritual, the mere fact that it is indeed ancient means that the ritual was probably to make a little fricken ball of fire not dues ex machinas on level with hyperbolic chamber from Dragon Ball Z.

    As a side note getting ideas from Dragon Ball Z in anyway shape or form is not a good idea.

    This law I'm attributing to Shezza after rereading this part of Denarian Renegade

     
  11. peregrine1989

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    Potter law # who knows how many now.

    A wizard staff, whether it be Merlin's, a founder's, any other ancient wizard's, or one that Harry made himself, IS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL. Staffs can give you more power, otherwise what is the point. HOWEVER, in Potterverse power isn't everything, the more complex formations are important to. Thus a staff, while useful in rituals and other situation, can NEVER be used in a duel successfully, as it doesn't have the required maneuverability.

    Wand Clarification: A wand with multiple cores is also not all powerful, and there must be a logical reason why Harry can have one when every other wand on the planet has a single core.

    Ollivander Clarification: Ollivander may have a duel core wand ready made, this is acceptable if he was testing his skill. However it is highly likely that such a wand is known by the Ministry, who obviously visit the shop regularly if the fannon "Ministry puts spells on wands to check for Underage magic/breach of secrecy act" is in your story, so if Ollivander sells it to Harry it is highly likely to have some government spells on it to limit the power/track the wand. Every wand Ollivander sells has charms on them or none do, there is no middle ground.


    Right now thats out of the way is the Harry Potter universe referred to the Potterverse or something else entirely, or is it yet to be titled.
    Oh and thanks for the Hogwarts wards reminder. While harry wasn't going to destroy them he was going to sneak around a set.
     
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  12. Gangle

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    New rule:

    The pulling Gryfindors sword out of the sorting hat cannot be used after Chamber of Secrets. This is just a plain lazy way for the sword to appear as the writer cannot think of another way to get the sword there.

    This includes cannon in DH, surely there either could of been another way of getting the sword there or another way of killing the snake.

    Also on the wards being impossible to break or bypass without a large amount of time being spent (I believe Voldemort gets through them in DH), An enchanted flying car cannot get past the wards and crash into the willow. Dumbledore had to take them down to get in with a broom, how can a ford with a few charms by Athur Weasley get through them?
     
  13. Dark Syaoran

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    Did you read DH?
    The enchantments Dumbledore takes down in HBP were only added earlier that year. I'm pretty sure it says so in the book.
     
  14. BioPlague

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    It's a nice first try. But those are kind of weird.

    First of all - the only good scene in Deathly Hallows involved Neville pulling the sword out of the Sorting Hat and owning Nagini. So I disagree on adding that.

    And the second, I can't really begin to understand. Wards don't really exist, as Taure and I would like to hammer repeatedly into everyone's skulls. And none of the enchantments on the castle specify very much beyond the "No Apparating" ruling. Otherwise you can Portkey in, sneak a Mountain Troll in and have a teacher with Voldemort on the back of their head for 10 months in clear sight of some 300 children.

    Have another try but think em through next time.
     
  15. World

    World Oberstgruppenführer DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    As I was once again perusing the original post, I noticed some things that could be changed/amended:

    Far-reaching-rule: The same goes for Albus Dumbles Dumbledore as well as every other person, creature and object that has a name or title.

    Clarification: Jumping on a roof does not constitute apparating.

    Deathly Hallows Explanation: It's because no one loves Hermione as well.
     
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  16. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Deathly Hallows Explanation: It's because no one loves Hermione as well.
    Exception: Except for BioPlague
     
  17. BioPlague

    BioPlague The Senate DLP Supporter

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    Her stock has risen ever since Emma Watson turned eighteen, much to the dismay of canon!Hermione fans. Especially at DLP. Had a few people with "Hermione" avatars.

    Horny virgins have eased their hate on her.
     
  18. World

    World Oberstgruppenführer DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    And here I thought her DLP stock would have fallen with her turning eighteen ...
     
  19. Khazad-Dumb

    Khazad-Dumb Loves the Gay Porn DLP Supporter

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    Nope, now she's legal to wank to.
     
  20. BioPlague

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    I'm sure that stopped so many people.
     
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