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Not Fade Away by Shake - M

Discussion in 'Trash Bin' started by Shake, Mar 24, 2009.

  1. Shake

    Shake Squib

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    Title: Not Fade Away
    Author: Shake
    Rating: M
    Genre: Independent!Harry, Action/Adventure
    DLP Category: Independent?
    Pairing: None at the moment
    Status: Chapter 1 of a WIP
    Summary: Post-OOTP, Independent!Harry, WIP. Harry returns to Privet Drive after the battle at the Department of Mysteries, experiencing a summer not even he expected. Finding friends he never expected to, and enemies among those he counted allies, he takes Sirius' last words to him to heart, and decides to live. To be no one's pawn, to make the destiny he never wanted of his own making.
    Link: http://patronuscharm.net/s/266/1/
     
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  2. Anya

    Anya Harley Quinn DLP Supporter

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    I wonder where the author got this story title from...

    Looks like a cliche 'pawn' story, I'm going to have a look see. Will edit when done.

    Edit: Lol, pottymouth!Harry.
     
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  3. Korisovra

    Korisovra Headmaster

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    I rarely like
    Dudley and HP become friends
    storylines, but this one was surprisingly engaging. The plot was fluid and given some of the givens, believable. 4/5 so far.
     
  4. scaryisntit

    scaryisntit Death Eater

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    I'm disappointed there's no Angel connection here...

    I'll read it soon. Edit later...

    (By the way, does anyone know if you can find the Angel/Buffy comics online? Or, more legally, if they're sold outside of the US and outside the use of credit cards?)

    EDIT: Read most of it. I'm afraid I skipped large parts - mostly just the letters that after a quick squiz appeared to contain the usual sentiments - but it's well written and flows well. I won't rate it since there's nowhere near enough to ascertain the story direction. It may remain that way as nothing has really perked my interest. Anya's mentioned two other things I have similar feelings about.

    However, I must add that the swearing is unnecessary. I'm more sensitive to it than most people I'll bet, but I've grown used to it under certain circumstances. Not once were there any real reason for it here, though. It may just be how the author writes but, like I said, I find it unnecessary and ruins the experience for me. Everyday people who talk like Harry and Dudley do here piss me off.

    Again, well written, but there's nothing of interest to me thus far.
     
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  5. e1

    e1 Third Year

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    Multi-chaptered fic --> only one chapter up = too short to be up for review. Capice?

    As for the story ...

    ^^See that ?

    ^^And that?

    Well, don't do that.

    You mean goat. Although if you've lurked around enough, you would know that DLP's got its very own clique of sheep-lovers. BTW Beastialmagi wasn't the least bit amusing.

    Okay, now I'm worried.

    And Dudley getting it on with a hot chick? lolwtfbbq. Not gonna happen ...

    That said, here's a couple more reasons why your fic will never make it to the 'Recycle Bin', much less the library:

    -Neville!letter -> gawd no.

    -Last will and testament of Sirius Black; congratulations. You're like the 354666th person to come up with that.

    -Plus, the words 'sick' and 'again' keep popping up every few lines. Note2OP: repetition is only healthy in small doses.

    -You used 'stick it to the man' and 'Dumbledore' in the same line. I shall never forgive you for that mental image.

    Yes, and maybe you need a bit more. Next time, get someone else to beta your work and keep some of those annoying typos/grammatical errors in check. Or better yet, put this up in the 'Work by Author' section to get some actual feedback on your writing. Never post your work in the 'For Review' section unless you feel it's worth being compared to a 4-star story in the library.

    kthnxbi
     
  6. Mechanicalchrist

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    They're all up on 4chan/rs/, I think.
     
  7. Anya

    Anya Harley Quinn DLP Supporter

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    If you do ever find them online, could you PM me with the link?

    On topic. Harry's majorly OOC (out of character). And I think I see an Abusive!Vernon in the distance.

    2/5, though I will be waiting for an update nonetheless.
     
  8. Shake

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    Thanks for reading, and for your comments. e1, sorry, I didn't realize it needed to be longer before people could post in the review forum. What about one shots? Is that a different rule? If it makes it any better, I already have a few more chapters that I was already working on, but hadn't posted yet.

    Also, I thought it was to long to post in the WbA forums, and the rules there said don't do it if it had to be put in more than one post, so...

    As far as your comments regarding the story. Well, the fractured sentences... get over it. I know it's not grammatically correct, but its purposely so. It's a style. Is it good? I can see you don't think so, but I don't really get why that bothers you. I wont change stuff like that, I just seem to write like that, and I like my style.

    To the sheep lover bit, thank you. I missed that, dunno how. I wish I could figure out how to edit the story on patronus charm without deleting it and re-uploading the doc it was saved as.

    To Dudley not being with a hot chick/being too different... why is that? This is my own characterization. If its because its not canon, well, I doubt any of my characterizations are going to be canon. If its because he's fat and ugly, plenty of fat and ugly dude get chicks IRL. I'm kinda confused.

    The will -- it is cliched, I know. I still wanted to put it in. This isn't going to be a story where Harry gets all super powerful because he gets money/the Black's family status or whatever. Out of curiosity, is it because it was a will specifically that it bothers you? It was meant, to me, to be a last message, of sorts.

    Anya - there is a bit of Vernon being abusive in this story. It isn't ongoing and wont be a big part of it at all, rarely mentioned again really. Did you mention that because it was a cliche?

    And as for Harry being OOC, I'm sorta confused again. To both of you, or anyone, could you actually explain this to me? I mean, I've read a ton of stories, and all of them, Harry is different. All the characters are different. There are plenty of massively AU stories that people like a lot. This is just my own take on everything.. is there a reason I'm doing it wrong, so to speak?

    Thanks again to you both, for reading.
     
  9. Anya

    Anya Harley Quinn DLP Supporter

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    An abusive Vernon has been done to death, and it looks like Dudley is going to be the recipient as well. Truthfully I think that Dudley would be big enough and well versed in boxing that he wouldn't take that shit from Vernon.

    Also as with all Abusive!Vernon stories, Harry wouldn't let it continue either. He would either leave the house and/or tell the Order and let them take care of Vernon.

    That's my opinion, take it or leave it.
     
  10. Shake

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    No, I gotcha. I had meant all implied abuse to be far in the past. Maybe I didn't write that well enough. Thanks Anya
     
  11. Anya

    Anya Harley Quinn DLP Supporter

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    No problem

    Like I said before, if you update I'll read it.
     
  12. psihary

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    Haven't read the story yet, and I'll edit when I do. But on the will topic - I do want to see for once someone write that Sirius hasn't planned ahead for his eventual death, and why the hell should he?! So with his demise the title for the head of the house of Black will have to be fought over. Nothing bad in Harry winning the "competition" by suggesting some king of adoption or better yet - he gets the money(IF there are any) but the title of Lord Black(again IF there is one) goes to the closest blood relative.
    It's just done in 99% of the post OoTP fics and more often than not the letter/will says the same and the reader skips it over just like the sorting hat's song... no real purpose and boring to read.
    So, how about Harry is left with nothing and he has to come in terms with the idea that his godfather might have loved him but he didn't have the time to really say it?
     
  13. Rhapsody Belle

    Rhapsody Belle Sixth Year

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    I'm in favor of this story, though I haven't read much past the first chapter. 3/5 so far, will edit with a proper rating when I'm done, because for as much promise as this shows, it can still go hideously wrong.

    Edit: Ah. Only the first chapter is available. Well... I'll hold judgement until I see another update.

    Why the hell shouldn't he? LW&T aren't exactly all that uncommon, even for people who are young and healthy. Given that Sirius has already gone to prison once, has a death sentence hanging over his head, and is a frontliner as much as he can be, it makes perfect sense that he would want to see the Black family wealth -- and preservation of wealth is one of the chief reasons for having a will -- go to someone who isn't thick as thieves with the Dark Arts.
     
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  14. Tinn Tam

    Tinn Tam Review Goddess Retired Staff

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    There's no rule at all -- although I sometimes think a rule wouldn't harm anyone. The thing is, while some stories are bad enough to be cast aside after only one chapter, the contrary is rarely true. A great first chapter doesn't guarantee the story won't get boring; although, when it does, it's simply moved out of the Library. The biggest problem is about mediocre introductory chapters (something many decent stories have), which have a high risk of getting deleted. DLP's policy is such that a deleted story doesn't get a second chance.

    What happens most of the time is that the story in question gathers dust for ages in For Review, because most members end their reviews with "I'll need to read more before I can rate it."

    One-shots, of course, are completed stories; so they don't generate that kind of problem.


    EDIT:
    I had no idea that rule existed... I remember a bug once (long ago) that wouldn't let me post more than 3k words in one go. I thus apologised in advance and posted three times in a row. As far as I know there was no problem with that.

    Long story short: if you couldn't post 7k words, there probably was a bug. Next time that happens, go ahead and multi-post.
     
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  15. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    What?

    Shake, you idiot. What is this? You asked on IRC where to put your story, for fuck's sake. I think it was Sree who explained to you what the For Review forum is for, so don't act like you have no clue. He even told you to put your story in the WbA, if you want a Beta-like look-over.

    So why the hell is it here now?

    What are you on about? One chapter = one post. Your chapter has 6.5k words. There have been 10k+ words chapters posted in the WbA. I do it regularly. So why would yours be too long?

    Edit: If it was a bug then meh w/e. Although I have to say I never encountered that problem.

    And yes, for Oneshots, the For Review section has different rules. Obviously.



    Anyway. Your story.

    Yeah.

    No.

    Either you want help or you don't. The "it's my story, I don't care what you say, get over it"-thing is the very best way you can find to start a flame-fest here. Yes, it's your story. And yes, the readers will read it, and start pointing it out. It's their read and their opinion. Get over it.

    Also, seeing this, I better mention that all this is, of course, only my opinion and not ... etc. pp.


    That said, I use fractured sentences as well, so I'm not adverse to it, but I think you're missing its point. You use it sparsely, to create a certain effect -- not like, every other sentence in your opening paragraph. At the end, it only felt jarred and jumpy. I'd remove about two instances, but hey, it's your shit, right?

    Also, on the note of writing and style, what I disliked even more was the strong narrator you suddenly introduced:

    You switch from Harry thinking (that is, being inside his head) all at once to a narrator telling, and even worse, commenting, the story (that is, looking at things as much from the outside as possible).

    There's nothing saying you can't do either, even though I'm not fond of a strong narrator; however you can't start flip-flopping around. After that, it's back to Harry, then it's back to the narrator etc.

    It makes for a bad read. It's inconsistent -- more so than usual, even, because first we know what's going on in Harry's head and then, suddenly, we don't, and have to assume things ("Though it probably didn't occur...")



    To the actual content of the story.

    Fixed it. That is why.

    But again, it isn't really the point, at least not mine. The point is, Dudley is unimportant. More than unimportant. A complete nonentity. No one cares about Dudley. The story is about Harry Potter and the Magical World, not Dudley Dursley and his non-existent sex life; and to that extent: No one cares about Harry in the Muggle world, either.


    Dudley's a filler character with cartoonish traits, and that's the way he shall remain. I dislike stories that play up the role of the Dursleys more than necessary, and that includes Harry/Dudley friendship. The idea that the Dursleys could ever be anything but perfectly horrible usually leads to fail like in An Aunt's Love, for example.

    Here's the way to go: The Dursleys get three lines each, provide some laughs, Dudley gets his head stuffed into a toilet once and that's it. They have so very little to do with the real story.

    The best you can do is to leave them out of the picture completely. There is no point whatsoever, and whenever that is the case, the best solution is to leave it out. Reading about Dudley boning some chick has only one effect, very much the same as reading about Snape doing it: it makes me physically ill.

    /personal rant


    Tl;DR:
    Character development is fine, but don't waste it on the Dursleys i.e. Dudley. And it is wasted, because after the summer's over, you won't get back to them until next year, right? In my eyes, Dudley has no place in Harry's life.



    Also; I fully agree with scary. If you look at the HP-Books, Harry swears very little. In fact, all of the characters do, the most is a "bloody hell". You can debate on whether that is because the books were intended for children or not, but the fact of the matter is, swearing is not a part of the HP-world, and introducing it all of a sudden and/or without good reason, takes (at least for me) away from the atmosphere.

    It's less HP, simple as that.

    Regarding your question about OOC-ness, this would be something I'd label OOC. I.E. this means that I can't match this Harry with the one at the end of OotP, even though virtually no time has passed, and I should be able to.


    Finally, a little personal peeve: "It wasn't your fault", and "he died like he wanted to." I knew there was a reason I started to write that one story. Now I feel the urge to pick it up again; this is irritating for me -- partly because I can't count the times I've read these exact sentences, and also because I wonder what everyone who writes it is thinking.

    Truth #1: No one wants to die.
    Truth #2: It was Harry fault, to a great extent, because he fell for a trap so ludicrous that it's mind-boggling.



    All in all, obviously no rating since there’s only one chapter and I’ve got no idea which direction it will take; and for all my diatribe about Dudley it wasn’t that bad and I can live with it for now, actually -- I simply skipped all the Dudley parts, which amounts to the like the entire second half of the chapter.

    If you can live with that ...
     
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  16. scaryisntit

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    I think I'm getting seizures, I shuddered so much.
     
  17. Korisovra

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    I think I just vomited a little in my mouth. Thanks Tinn...
     
  18. Iztiak

    Iztiak Prisoner DLP Supporter

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    Ahaha, I didn't read any of that, I just went straight to the reviews. And those are awesome. :awesome
     
  19. Richard

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    I have to agree. I went and read them, too. I was laughing hysterically, almost all the way to the end. Funny as hell.
     
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