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Star Trek - JJ Abrams. [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Movies, Music and TV shows' started by Dr. Strange Lulz, Nov 18, 2008.

  1. Fuegodefuerza

    Fuegodefuerza Minister of Magic

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    "I'll be watching your frequencies."

    Best line of the movie, which was utterly fantastic, by the way. I know only the bare minimums about Star Trek, so I may be missing the boat on this one, but I thoroughly enjoyed this movie.

    Also, the previews were amazing. Transformers 2, Terminator, G.I. Joe. I can't wait.
     
  2. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Review Time. I'll do my best to keep spoilers inside tags. I'll also note that I'm somewhat of a die-hard TOS fan (TOS = The Original Series for all you Trek n00bs. I.e. the series from the 1960s that originally featured Kirk, Spock, etc.)

    General Feeling: I enjoyed watching it but it wasn't Star Trek - it was an action Sci-Fi movie. Effects were great, there was a decent story to tell, and it was just plain fun. That said, there were things that got under my skin.


    Things I liked:

    (1) Small quirks and phrases from the original series that were recognizable. I.e. Kirk's posture in his chair, some of McCoy's phrases, etc. I didn't feel like these were shoe-horned in or overdone, more like tributes to the characters.

    (2) Pretty decent story being told here. Could have been tighter in places but it never felt slow and it did have some characterization instead of just SFX and action. To summarize,
    Romulus gets blown up in the future. Spock tried but failed to stop this. Pissed Romulans and Spock end up in past due to special circumstances surrounding the explosion. Romulans want revenge so they blow up Vulcan to hurt Spock, then head for Earth. Kirk & co. stop them blowing up Earth.

    Things I didn't like:

    (1) One very specific, and somewhat important, aspect of the plot regarding what happens after the movie. Putting up a spoiler for this, might be a bit of a ramble.
    I don't really like that the events of the movie create an alternate dimension separate from the one we know from the TV series and other movies and everything else. It seems to me like it would have been pretty damned easy to just have the "Spock and Romulans from future" event be what happened to begin with, and therefore those events had to occur to lead us into the rest of the movies/series/etc.

    Have the death of his father jumpstart Kirk into Starfleet instead of the other way around. He gets in early and since he's so badass, he moves up rank fairly quickly. Conjure up some reason for him to be on Earth when the shit hits the fan, but as a Lieutenant or some fucking reasonable rank (see next thing I didn't like below), and then let things play out more or less like they did except they could actually manage to stop Vulcan being blown up, then events play out and lead into the Star Trek we are familiar with.

    I don't like the idea of having them simply play out events as seen in the movie, and then "fixing" the timeline so that none of it happened. I hate it when that happens. But geez, I don't get why they couldn't have just made it so that the movie led into the events that we think of as following.

    (2) Ranks and Promotions and who is in charge at any given time is all kinds of screwed up in this movie.
    Kirk is a damned CADET who sneaks onto the Enterprise when he's not supposed to be there, and next thing you know he's been made First Officer. Despite the fact that we know there were actual, you know, OFFICERS on board the fucking ship other than just Captain Pike and Commander Spock. Like Ensign Chekov, or the Lieutenant that Uhura was told to relieve. It makes no bloody sense to have Kirk as second in command in this situation. That's why I said they should have just added one more flashback or something where we see Kirk as Lt. Kirk or something.

    I get that the movie had him starting in Starfleet late, which explains why he is a cadet and how Spock got so far ahead of him, but I don't get why they decided to do it that way.

    Some of this stuff is reasonable. They had to man the ship with cadets because of some damn reason, and when a lot of the officers died they had to replace them with cadets. McCoy inheriting CMO makes sense -- he was already a doctor, he was just at the academy for the Starfleet aspect of things. Scotty also makes sense once he shows up.

    But here's the real catch, at the end... Kirk gets promoted to Captain of the Enterprise. He goes from a cadet in the academy, to captain of the fleet's Flagship, in like... a week? I mean, come on, WTF? I call BS.

    (3) There was a pairing that came out of effing nowhere, and served no discernable purpose except to make me go WTF... here it is, that's right, it's
    Spock/Uhura?! Where the hell did that come from? I mean, Uhura followed Spock onto the lift, stopped it from going down, then just started putting her hands all over him, hugging him, and then kissing him. Brain disco'd there for a minute. W.E.I.R.D.

    On a completely different note... well, somewhat... we have another new Star Trek movie coming out within the week! Did you all know about it? That's right, it's the new Star Trek Porn movie! Looks like it's going to be released on May 12th 2009 to somewhat coincide with JJ Abrams movie! OMGYAY (/sarcasm & /lulz). Here's a link, and yes, it does have a trailer preview: http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/05/07/lol-hustler-to-release-star-trek-porn/

    No thanks ;P
     
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  3. Big D on a Diet

    Big D on a Diet Minister of Magic DLP Supporter

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    Well, the obvious answer as to why they made it an alternate universe is because they plan to do several sequels, and want the freedom not to have to structure them so that they lead into the TOS time line.
     
  4. Dr. Strange Lulz

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    I get where you're coming from with this, as I originally had the same opinion, but then I thought about it from a different angle and it started making sense to me.

    Unfortunately I have to put it in tags since I can't really be talking about it yet, since so many people haven't seen it.

    The destruction of Vulcan pissed me off to no end, because any Trek fan... hell anybody thats seen the series at any point can tell you, Vulcan plays a rather large role. So I've got problems with that.

    But when it comes to the divergence in the time stream causing an alternate universe I've actually rethought my opinion on the matter.

    The alternate universe allows the TOS fans to keep their series separate and untouchable. The original Kirk will always be THEIR Kirk, same with Spock. Those storylines will now never be redone, because the entire universe has changed as a result of Nero's actions. This gives JJ Abrams a chance to do Star Trek his way without screwing up the original stories that we know and love. Which I think is great, I like the way they brought Star Trek up to date and made it accesable to new audiences, but still keep the original series sacred and separate.

    Just another way of looking at it

    One thing I have to mention though which I forgot to earlier.

    The scene with Kirk, Sulu, and the unfortunate Ensign Jimmy.

    Where they're dropping down the the drill

    Righteous.

    "I can't wait to kick some Romulan ass"

    I bet you can't Jimmy, I bet you can't.

    To the Ensign Jimmy's of the world. Keeping Kirk, Spock, and Bones safe since the 60's.
     
  5. Scriblerus

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    I loathed Star Trek before I saw this one. Pretty damn good! It converted me, if nothing else.
     
  6. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Ok, I guess I can buy this as a valid reason/explanation and something I didn't think about. I'd still have preferred that they had it a bit closer to the original timeline (like you said,
    Vulcan being destroyed is a pretty damn big change
    ) so that I could have my cake and eat it too, but yeah. You make a good point, even if I don't like it.

    Thanks :awesome
     
  7. Mordecai

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    Just watched it tonight, it is made of fucking win! Epic film in every regard.
     
  8. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    Fuck Yeah :awesome

    I always preferred Picard over Kirk, but that movie kicks ass. Black Holes and time travel, and the improved space battles ... I actually didn't mind the older, slower ones, but meh, the FX was pretty. I don't care so much about it; what's important is the plot. In that regard, it didn't quite reach my favourite (First Contact), but it was very much enjoyable (it might even get better when I watch it in German, since I might've missed things in English).

    How they picked up the known crew members along the way seemed to be a bit of a stretch, too many lucky circumstances, but that's because you're looking at it in hindsight, I guess. If you forget that, it works -- for example, someone had to be at that base, and his name was Scotty.

    That. I always thought there'd be

    Uhura/Kirk
    , since they had that tension thing going from the very start, and then suddenly she ... does that? @_@ That came totally out of the blue. I just stared.


    Still, now I very badly want moar Star Trek and especially with MOAR Borg :D

    So go watch it, fags >_> Any figures on how successful it is yet? Edit: Yeah, $24 million on the first day. Well, doesn't that look good.


    Edit 2: Oh, I forgot. What I loved especially were the developement of the Kirk/Spock thing. Their interactions were great; it was a really important bit, and it worked very well.
     
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  9. Philly Homer

    Philly Homer What you call elephant cum I call mouthwash

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    Honestly, I didn't expect to like the movie, even with it's 96% rating on Rotten tomatoes. A friend of mine who saw it yesterday liked it a lot and suggested it too. Finally, I saw it in IMAX, and I enjoyed myself a lot, even though I was never a fan of Star Trek.

    Th story was interesting and cool even with the alternate timeline and time travel. The special effects were brilliant even if there was a bit too much lens glare. The actors were more than solid, but the standout was Spock. Zachary Quinto as Spock was a great casting choice. He was very believable as Spock, and he kicked ass. The humor wasn't cheesy and added to the movie. However, the best part of the movie was the characters and their interactions. The Spock/Kirk dynamic was developed brilliantly, and it really made the movie.
     
  10. Nukular Winter

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    Obviously that was done to preempt the next generation (see what I did there?) of Kirk/Spock slash-fiction. And I, for one, give thanks for that.
     
  11. BloodRedSword

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    I like the scene where Kirk 'cheated' to complete that 'impossible' mission and Spock was like WTF!?
     
  12. QuaziJoe

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    I was skeptical... but damn. That was good.

    there was some points that had me almost cringe but overall, it was worth the money.

    is it just me or did the room shake for you guys whenever a ship went to warp.

    I swear everytime it happened I could feel the room quake. Our theartres aren't exactly old either. This wasn't even imax. This was the standard $11.50 ticket

    I gotta say though, I felt like with all the flashes of light and brightness I would either go blind or seizure.

    That whole segment with kirk, Bones, and the injections had me holding in a chuckle. It was a well placed piece of comedic relief.

    Though I have a bone to pick with the romulan ship. it was needlessly jacked. I get they want it to be imposing but they tried to hard to make it scary as shit. The whole time I was thinking that whoever the architect was for that monstrosity was part of the adams family. Even the interior made no sense. There aren't even railings. You slip you fall to your death.

    Same problem they had in nemesis, though atleast the interior of the badguys ship in nemesis atleast looked like it had a practical function.
     
  13. Boo

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    Holy Shit. This movie was good.
    The entire theater gave a standing ovation at the end (kinda weird).


    Love the way they remodeled the ship. Made it more real and not so clean and oh so high tech.

    Does anyone know why Uhura was in Iowa?
     
  14. Sol

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    It's part of the original lore that the only Cadet to beat the Kobayashi Maru simulation is Kirk, which he did by cheating. Forget which movie they say it in though. Wrath of Khan maybe?
     
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    I know, what I mean was the expression on Spock's face. He was so shocked by it.
     
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    Pretty sure it was to make the shuttle that carried the cadets :)
     
  17. QuaziJoe

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    I'm still peaved with the interior design. Some parts are great and realistic like the engineering/ shuttle bay, but others like the bridge are like some porcelin toilet/ipod, wet dream.

    I don't want everything to be grungy and ghetto but bringing a little balance between the two would be nice.
     
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    Best Sci-Fi movie I've ever seen; Best movie of 2009 thus far. I wasn't a fan of Star Trek growing up so I can't compare it to the series, but the storyline seemed pretty straight forward if you were unfamiliar - something I wasn't sure that the writers could pull off. Of course, the special effects were stellar, and - this may just be me, but some of you had similar comments - it was bright and loud as fuck. However, it enhanced the feeling you got sitting there.

    My favorite parts: the huge insect-thing chasing Kirk across the ice; the bar fight where Kirk got his ass kicked; Nemoy injecting Kirk over and over (lol); and Kirk talking shit to Spock about his mother.

    And yeah, the movie theater I was in gave a standing O as well.
     
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    Captain Robeau in the beginning was awesome. And Captain Pike was awesome ("forget to disengage the parking break?")

    Great movie.
     
  20. Cyclops

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    You mean McCoy, right?
     
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