Fool proof method of sealing off the Denarian coins forever.

1) Dumbledore casts Fidelias charm on box/house (depends on what the limitations of the spell are).
2) Meciel is made the secret keeper.
3) Coins are placed in box/house (more likely a house now that I think about it).
4) Coin container is sealed shut with magical and muggle means (in case some limited awareness could allow the Fallen to dispel the charm).
5) Dumbledore is obliviated and/or dies.

 

Or,

1. Sneak them onto the next deep space extra-solar probe that NASA launches.

You could shoot them into the sun, but I think we all know from Superman that this would give birth to a evil sun-powered creature to rival Harry's power.

 

ALIEN!DENARIANS?!?! GOGOGOGOGOGO

 

The coins would likely as not prevent the ship from setting off in the first place, since magic + technology = Bad Things Happen, and you can't get much more complicated than the systems on board a space shuttle/rocket.

Also, I want my Alien!Denarians! .

EDIT: Could you imagine a Denarian!Anubis?!?

 

Can the mere presence of the coins disrupt technology?

Lol, the PC you're using right now is much more complex machinery than was used in the Apollo missions.

Where would he put the coins? Lol.

Stargate and Dresden mythos wouldn't mix very well, as both give alternative, contradictory, explanations for the ancient pantheons of Gods.

However, in a few places it mixes quite well. Ascended beings could exist in some far reaches of the Nevernever, or even the Outside.

 

They do contain the souls of Fallen Angels, and we know they can have a limited effect on the outside world just by themselves. So assuming they are at least somewhat aware of what's happening around them, I'd expect them to try their damnedest not to be blasted into a far flung corner of the universe.

True, but space flight has come quite the distance since then if I remember my wikipedia binges correctly .

No idea where he'd hide it, I'm just going on Rule of Cool here. Probably should have picked a different fandom to try and suggest, but Stargate is the most obvious one to me so...

Just a thought, cross with Star Trek could work with the blasted into space idea. Some lucky, powerful wizard/knight manages to capture all the coins and sticks it on a probe to Betelgeuse (or any other star). Fast forward to The Next Generation, or another one of the series, and a human ship encounters the probe and brings the coins aboard. Since the human race is living in what amounts to a utopia at that point the Denarians would be practically Gods with the galaxy as their playthings.

Also, would the Nevernever extend to encompass other worlds or would it be a separate one for each planet/galaxy/etc.?

 

Are the Coins actually magic? I think its been pointed by Dresden more than once that Michael's power isnt magic, its something higher, divine. I would imagine its this same thing that binds the fallen to the coins

 

No magical nature of the coins has been stated. They do however have that 'manipulate events' ability. Falling so they catch the light, bouncing/rolling towards someone they could make contact with etc.

As for the sun idea... it has merit but if the coins are destroyed Very Bad Things happen. It'd be best not to do anything that could lead to their destruction.

 

The coins work a lot like the Ring of Power in the Lord of the Rings series. They want to be found so they allow themselves to be by affecting tiny things in reality to work towards their advantage. Then again, I think that a Fidelius Charm cast on a box filled with the coins with Harry as the Secret Keeper would be pretty full proof.

 

I always wanted to see a nice battle between Thorned Namshiel and Harry.

 

Didn't Meciels coin get thrown into a volcano, which caused it to erupt badly?

Noone throw it into the sun! Screw alien!Denarians, blackhole!Denarianx29 would be much worse.

As for the minister, he's either going to reveal Harry's secret and the anti-demon forces from all the different communities (I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere there's more to just HP and Dresden worlds coexisting), or he's going to attack the church, get some coins and power up his aurors. The church isn't going to be happy about it either.

'course, that does seem to be a fairly big event this late in the game.

 

I'm kinda fond of taking the coins, and dropping each one separately in a different region of the Marianna trench, while sealed inside a lead box which is enchanted to render it invisible to all forms of sensory perception.

 

In other words, fidelias charm + bottom of the ocean? Sounds like it could work.

 

Why bother with the space shuttle?

If you can Apparate to the other side of the Earth then it means that you can Apparate over 10 thousand kilometres. Thirty and some such jumps and you can place the coins on the surface of the moon. Protection from space conditions should be very much within the reach of a skilled wizard.

Or place them somewhere on a very far orbit to Earth. I don't think that the influence that the coins have on the world around them would allow for them to travel back. Now just add a Fidelius and you're good to go.

 

If humanity survives for another 2000 years, it is very likely we could colonize all of the surrounding planets in our galaxy. It would not be unlikely for the Denarians to reappear if we simply dumped them on a random nearby planet.

You'd have to send them in a rocket which takes them further and further away from us, and even then, in time, if humanity were to sustain itself, they would find a way back to us. They're inescapable, unless there's some other plane or dimension you can put them in that no one else could get access too (though the very fact you accessed it means another could as well).

The only way for Denarians to be forever lost is if all possible hosts in the galaxy are lost, and if that ever comes to be the case, they've no purpose anyway. Isn't their goal the destruciton of god's creations? If they're gone, they've won.

 

Yeah if you can apparate there that means other people could do it too.

 

Butcher must have thought of this. I mean it seems rather obvious that there are a lot of places where the coins could be placed to be out of touch. I figure the church would have enough money for any of these possibilities. Heck, even something as simple as flying over antarctica and throwing the coin out of the airplane would quite probably put it out of circulation for centuries if not millennia. Dumping it in the sea, burying it under countless tons of rock or even the volcano option are also good. And sending them outside our solar system would especially be effective.

So it begs the question why this has not been done. Butchers writing is generally well thought out and researched and this is obvious enough that it must have occurred to him. The characters in DresdenVerse are also rather savvy (Dresden especially) so surely over the years it would have occurred for someone to try. The fact that its not standard procedure leads me to suspect that the coins may have some other as yet unknown powers that make this option impossible.

Heck, maybe if the coins are out of circulation long enough, Lucifer himself teleports them back to earth and back into circulation. We know from Small Favors that he occasionally assists them (he powered those huge pentagrams) so it is a possibility. Maybe the church has to "bless" the containers where the coins are stored every now and again to prevent this or something which is why dumping them in an inaccessible location is not an option. If this kind of regular contact is necessary to keep the coins imprisoned then it also explains how they might corrupt the priests.

 

I'd assume it's because magic in the Dresdenverse is not perfect. Things like wards lose power if they're not based around a threshold to power them, and even then there are ways to circumvent that. Wards to hide the coins would need either periodic refuelling or be in a place where someone lives. This leaves the possibility of the person guarding the coins being followed to/from the hiding place, or the chance of temptation for the in house method.

Of course in the HPverse we have nearly omnipotent magic to play with so there are tons of ways to hide the coins with little to no chance of them being found again.

 

It definitely wasn't Meciel's. Or if it was, she forgot to mention it.

I think you're remember the scene where Meciel talks (with GREAT satisfaction) about how she managed to corrupt the coin of her rival, the bird bitch.

Harry at the time comments that someone previously messing with a coin (trying to destroy it??) caused the erruption of vesuvius that destroyed Pompeii, herculaneum etc

 

can someone tell me where the girl in this chapter who comes up to Harry is from? When in Diagon Alley did he meet the girl and tell her not to tell people her name. I am trying to find it because I don't remember and it's annoying me. I can't even remember what book it's from.