Ugh. Miscommunication. I meant graphics wise...not storyline wise. I know they're tying it in with that from the post just a few above this one. Thought that was implied from discussion being on graphics.

As to the balancing issue. I wasn't aware others had such issues, since I don't too often play RPG's. I do know bioware kind of has a history with it. ME2, the pure caster role was OP as hell, plus the mage in DA. I also remember in KoToR the mage was pretty OP, too.

 

Yeah I guess you're just not making any sense to me. You say

I've never, ever heard of someone being a fanboy for graphics, and they certainly don't have a distinct graphical style either. But say you are disappointed with the graphics from KOTOR 1/2?

KOTOR 2


MMORPG


The MMORPG is that style on seteriods. Again what in the world is there to be disappointed in? maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not reading what you're saying as making any sense.

 

This is what you said.

Is what everyone else is reading.
Kthx Bai

 

The style they used for facial features was not the same as in KoToR 1/2. Everything else is awesome. That's just me and is only a small concern anyway. Not a deal-breaker on buying the game. (Any clearer or do I still have a dick in my mouth?)

As a fanboi I wants what was awesome of KoToR to be placed in the next installment, but I think I'm too too caught-up in wanting this to be KoToR 3. I probably need to ditch that comparison and evaluate it on it's own merits.

@DLC. Style of facial-features is small and negligible. Balancing of the the classes is not.

 

Facial features... that's what you're worried about. Really man? I'm drunk as fuck and even that doesn't make sense to me, lol.

 

The problem with balancing classes such as Mage and Jedi is that having them be balanced is making them underpowered. A warrior with a sword should never be the equal of a mage who can set him on fire, turn his lungs to ice, and give him cancer all at the same fucking time. A smuggler with a pistol should never be the equal of a Force user who can electrocute him, choke him, and convince him to jump off a cliff at the same time. But game balance demands that you make them equal.

So magic classes (or pseudo-magic, like the force) always ends up underpowered and overpowered at the same time. Sure, mage was easily the best class in DA: O. But it was also, realistically speaking, underpowered. Why can't you make a magical shield that stops arrows, or cast a spell that blows up your opponents head, OHKO'ing him? Game balance. And yet, despite the fact that you can't, mage class was overpowered: Summoning a giant firewhirlwind that kills the shit out of everybody for the win, and freeze+shatter for the epic win.

This gets especially messy with PvP fights. How in hell is Bioware going to balance that? It SHOULDN'T be balanced. Realistically speaking, no sentient in the Star Wars universe should be the match of a Force user. You can't even give Force Users the classic "lack of strength" Mage weakness: Obi-wan bent Grievous's arm in half, and Grievous could punch holes in durasteel with it with no problem. Force users are in every way superior to normal humans. You have to sacrifice either realism or gameplay, and unfortunately, they usually both end up shitted on.

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@Schro. If it's not balanced then everyone not a Jedi gets butthurt and stops playing the game. People stop playing, complain about it, and word spreads. Bioware loses money. Thus, they balance it enough to where people can rely on their skills to kill each other.

However, realistically speaking, if I could wield a lightsaber and pull things with my mind, I would be overpowered, but a well placed blaster could still kill me. Jedi have the force to 'guide' their movements and deflect bolts and sense things amiss. That gives them an edge, almost prescient, in battle. Take that away, like in the game, and you get a jedi who can be killed by a soldier/merc if they're smart or skilled enough.

Though, I find it weird discussing the realistic merits of Star Wars.

 

Bioware's rational is that the anyone playing a force wielder is not exactly high on the food chain. Sure, you're not the class scrub, but you're no Revan.

The other classes, on the other hand, are meant to be the best in the universe. Or at least very top tier. So, while any old Bounty Hunter would get demolished by Obi Wan, Boba Fett could probably take Obi's retarded second cousin in a one on one.

I know, seems kind of flimsy, but that's what they're going with. I don't entirely agree with it, but I can accept it.

Makes me less likely to play a Force Wielder, though. Better to be the Underdog Champion than a small fish in a big pond. Story wise, anyway.

 

That's one thing difficult to portray with Jedi (or sith, if that's the way you roll you angsty fag) Jedi have the Force to warn them of incoming shit. How the hell do you convey that in game? I always thought a neat way would be for everything to go into slow motion so you can se what's coming, but that doesn't work in PvP: you can't put one character in slowmo, it just doesn't work. You could make Jedi automatically have +80% to dodge against all attacks... but that would be slightly OP. But canonically, having the Force is like being 50 levels higher than everyone else: sure, they might get lucky and kill you... 1% of the time. Besides, why would you WANT to play any class besides Jedi/Sith? As the song goes, anything other classes can do, the Force can do better. It'll be interesting to see if Bioware makes it work.

A level one top-of-the-universe bounty hunter? and 100,000 of them? Sweet, that's a lot of top-of-the-universe people.

 

@Phantom. I hope you are wrong, because that does sound flimsy. When it comes to plot I expect more from Bioware.

Here's why.

 

Lol, to be fair, this is pretty much the problem in every MMO. Walking around in Dalaran in WoW, NPC's are constantly praising you for how awesome you are, blah blah blah, but there's a million other people who did exactly the same shit you did.

Comes with the territory, really.

They've said it in pretty much any interview that brings up the question of balance. While I don't participate in this thread much, I'm actually eagerly awaiting this game. (I've actually already joined a fairly active guild. Don't judge me.) So I'm fairly up to date with my info.

 

1. Fair enough, though I'd rather be a Jedi than be different.
2. Not entirely sure what this is supposed to be. CC= Character customization? I think Jedi can do that. Explain.
3. It would be even more fun to chop off their head with a lightsaber and scream "I FIND YOUR LACK OF FACE DISTURBING" over chat. But that's just me.

And I just had the:awesome'st idea. To test if you're susceptible to Force Persuasion and mind control, the servers check your chat for punctuation, capitilization, and lack of chatspeak. The more mistakes, the weaker you are against mind control.

 

God help me but I actually lol'd from this, even though the quote has been done to death a thousand times over.

 

LOL. I like that idea behind mind-control resistance. Wouldn't happen, but funny to think on.

At Phantom, I don't doubt your word, but your word brings ill-tidings. Still will buy it.

CC. Crowd control. Stuns, things to take them out of the fight temporarily, Hunters were famous for it in WoW. Can't beat sheeping people, fucking mages.

Response to 3. No, bringing down a kid's ego is far funnier than pwning them and trying to be witty.

 

On the videos they did say that they really tried to make each class matter, and not just Force-Users. I understand that Jedi/Sith are awesome in close combat, but crap in long range. Thats what trooper/bounty hunter is for.

 

Well, actually, Jedi and Sith should be short/medium range. At short, they use lightsaberss, at medium, they use Force powers.

 

I think the problem is that we see people like Revan, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Starkiller, Yoda, Luke, Jacen, Jaina, Darth Sidious and Mace Motherfuckin' Windu in the films and books and think: Wow, they are teh awesomez.

But realistically, a beginner Force User could probably get owned by a beginner Bounty Hunter or Scout because they rely on The Force, a mystical and powerful energy. Unless they give you a random midichlorian count at the beginning of the game then everyone is going to say: Jedis are underpowered cos Revan was the fucking mac daddy in KoToR.

 

That's what a newbie or someone who's just seen the movies would do. For a SW fan, someone who knows more than the movies, there is more to the SW Universe than the Force Users. And they also know how easily they get pwned, and how many got famous for doing it.

 

ANother gripe: why do you have to be a Jedi or Sith to have the Force? What if I want to be a smuggler who just happens to be Force sensitive? After all, a smuggler who can wave his hand and make the authorities think they already searched his cargobays is going to be a really fucking rich smuggler really fucking quickly.

 

Because people who are force sensitive but untrained are the ones who say "I've got a bad feeling about this."

Anakin had the greatest inherent force ability ever, and without training, the best shit he could do was race fairly well until he got picked up by the Jedi.