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Problem with Magical Society

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by The Berkeley Hunt, Feb 1, 2011.

  1. Mordecai

    Mordecai Drunken Scotsman –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Unless it took basically no effort to build and was thus not something to worry about the investiture of funds and effort in.
     
  2. Naga's Shadow

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    But that's really an unknown. As we don't know about the "mundane" magical processes. As Harry wouldn't have carred about it Rowling wisely ignored the inner workings of society. Like who builds everything? This is obviously a real job otherwise the Weasleys would have a better house. If a knowledge of transfiguration was all it took then Molly could have been constantly expanding the house as a hobby. The fact she didn't means there's either a set of physical objects needed to start, or the knowledge of how to do so is jealously guarded by the practitioners. It would have to be the latter as the Weasleys have several acres of land, plenty of trees to turn into more rooms.

    It would likely be an interesting one-shot to see a day in the life of a builder or other tradesman, but as it has no real interaction with a plot unless Harry was working as a tradesman whats the point?
     
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    What's wrong with the Weasley's house? It has enough rooms for everyone and won't collapse suddenly without being under attack. A larger place would mean more cleaning, and Molly wouldn't have that!

    On the stadium question, it isn't the cost of building it that matters, it's the size it was made. The organizers expected to fill 60,000 seats (and they did), and vendors came to sell them things, and Ministry folk came to arrange transportation and security, so close to 100,000 magicals were involved.

    Even if a good portion of the wizarding world were Quidditch fans, they wouldn't all make the journey; now there's closer to 600,000 magicals in the world, though this number isn't as relevant.

    Taking into account a differential of distance vs. enthusiasm, and you could say 3/4 of the original 100,000 were locals. That's 75,000 in Britain, all enjoying the idea of being involved with Quidditch, and the Americans won't touch it (sounds like World Cup futbol to me). So of the 75,000 in Britain involved, there are probably twice as many that aren't (that's a very low estimate, btw). Now we're up to 225,000 magicals in the UK. This, I can accept.

    A distribution curve of people at various ages (in a society with a near-0 infant mortality rate) bulges at the teen to professional ages. This suggests that 100,000 of the 225,000 in the UK are between 15 and 60. A 45 year span spread evenly across 100,000 people averages over 2200 magical people born each year.

    Ergo...

    Hogwarts CANNOT be the only source of magical education in Britain. Frighteningly, it seems to be the best and most prominent one.

    If you throw that one assumption out (there is no school in the U.K. except for Hogwarts), everything else begins to fit together better.
     
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    Or that a lot of wizards are home-schooled, or that a lot of muggleborns just aren't picked up on. Either works.
     
  5. Sesc

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    The size of the Quidditch stadium is one way to reach the high estimate, yes. I used it to reach my 30,000 minimum population size as well, and it's been used by others before. That said, your particular reasoning has two weak points.

    This ceases to matter when you have magical transportation. Given what we see we have to assume that everyone who at all wanted to come to Britain and the Quidditch World Cup would have been able to do so with no more trouble than walking to the next Portkey spot their Ministry provided.

    So distance isn't an argument; you basically have one stadium here, whose catchment area is the entire world. Conversely, the stadium was built in a size that was adequate for the entire magical population of the world.

    Furthermore, we know of people who wanted to come and couldn't get tickets, so if we assume that to be a true sample when scaling up to the entirety of magical Britain, many more folks wanted to go, but couldn't.

    This leads to the second thing;

    It does indeed sound like football (considering especially the league is structured like the European football leagues, so no playoffs or anything like that -- my personal pet-peeve), and for football in Europe, you have to assume a potential interest of 50% or more of the population. Especially at a world cup. The people who aren't interested in watching the matches then are the minority. It doesn't change all that much for the general direction if you either double the base number or triple it as you did, but I just wanted to point that out.

    Considering all that (and this is my own estimate, now), I didn't place more than 10,000 or 15,000 British fans into the stadium; the rest would be from all over the world; and if you double that number to include those that either don't care or couldn't get tickets, you're at the 30,000 minimum I put up in my first post.


    That it doesn't fit with Hogwarts is an old hat, and the numbers you reach for magical Britain when calculating based on the students we see are around 3,000, so roughly a tenth.
     
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