Or maybe he did it just because he thought that by allying with Voldemort, he had something to gain. Then later, buyer's remorse.

 

The Soviet Union started as Communism and fell to a dictatorship. It is the way of the world.

I didn't say it was a good thing, I simply stated a clear difference in the belief and why Communism wouldn't match the death eaters in ideology. The Death Eaters belief in the superior of the purebloods, they most certainly don't believe that they are equals to the muggleborns.

I'm not saying they aren't just as dead, I'm citing the reason they were killed. There is no doubt that Stalin was evil.

My analogy didn't included the Soviet Union, Stalin, or communism. Someone else stated that it was a bad analogy because Stalin killed more people than Hitler. I was explaining why Stalin and the Soviet Union wasn't applicable as a analogy to the Death Eaters.

 

1: Just because Death Eathers are based on Nazis, doesn't mean they are Nazis. So there's no reason to assume the ideological strength of its members is the same.
2: Just because Death Eathers are based on Nazis, doesn't mean the Order is based on the Allies.
3: There are more reasons to join a war than ideology.
4: Not all Nazis were antisemetic and some Allied soldiers were.
5: Snape.
6: Malfoy.

EDIT:

7: Dumbledore.

 

I doubt it. His father served Grindwald, he served Voldemort along with his son. I'm thinking that he was motivated by ideology, and not some other type of gain. After all history teaches a pretty clear lesson that not a whole lot is gained when following a dark lord or dictators in general.

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1. If the planning and execution of plans involving the torture and death of muggleborns isn't ideologically based. Than what justifications and reasons are they commiting these atrocities. At what price did these men sell there souls?
2. I never said the Order was based on the Allies. Reread
3. True, but there aren't many justification that would allow an individual to be a part of mass murder and torturing. Add to that I doubt there was much gain for the followers of the dark lord. This isn't like a war of countries, this bears more of a resemblance to a holy crusade than anything else.
4. Not sure why this is relevant. I suppose there could be death eater that bore muggle born no ill will, but I doubt Rosier was one of them.
5. Snape feel in love and than lost his love because of the dark lord. Don't act like he had some major moral revelation. His was based on vengeance.
6. I honestly don't remember about Malfoy, but I seem to remember that his change up was based on survival more than anything else.

 

You know for a forum that prides itself on being better than fanfiction.net. There seem to be a lot of people at about the same level.


Someone says that Rosier is a professor looking out for what's best for Harry and has given up his former death eater ideals. That he was just a fighter on the other side of the war and that killing for the cause doesn't mean he has strong ideology because the other side killed as well.


My response is that killing to protect your family, your country, or yourself is one thing; but trying to commit genocide and torture on a whole peoples because you believe them to be inferior is quite another. To be able to commit those atrocities you must be firmly rooted in the ideology and by committing the atrocities you are forever tainted in that ideologies. To change ideology means to face that you killed and torture real human beings for no real reason. That comparing the Death Eaters to the order is tantamount to comparing the allies to the Nazis. I'm paraphrasing a lot so read original posts before you comment.


The response that I get is that it is a bad example because Stalin killed more people. I mean what the fuck. So I try to explain why Stalin and the USSR aren't applicable to the Death Eaters. I get tore into because I'm apparently making the USSR look good. Not really my intention and than try to explain what my intentions where.


The next level of genius is that I get told that my original premiss was that Voldmort's war was based on WWII. This tells me that a lot people hear don't actually bother to read these post.


I expected better from this forum.

 

Ignoring the post above me,

It's possible. It would be good for the plot and would drive a wider wedge between Harry and his family if they did suspect him. I bet Ron would be the first to suspect Harry.

 

Loved new update, as always.

Damn, so all those Organ-rupturing and Skin-shredding curses were not high level Dark Arts ? I shudder to think just what is upper echelon of Dark Arts and just what is taught to students in DA course in 6th and 7th year.

 

If this were a bet, I bet that Hermione would be the person who launched the first indictment against Harry. I say this because she, unlike Nathan and Ron, was an exceptional witness to how Harry intimidated Draco Malfoy with ease abysmal.

Also, I think that during the Harry's new stay at Hogwarts, we will see a Ron more friendly with him, merely because of his intention to meet personally with Viktor Krum.

However, as occurs in the selection of the champions, likely Harry and Nathan will move away from Ron and Hermione because they believe that Harry helped Nathan to put a parchment in the Goblet of Fire (What in turn could restate the brotherly relationship between them, or cause a progressive distancing, depending on the circumstances).

 

I don't know. Harry would probably shut her down by claiming he doesn't want his brother getting hurt in such a tournament. Would establish how he sees himself far better than his brother magic-wise, would drive a bit of a divide between them if Nathan gets offended enough, and could probably have Nathan get additionally upset if he gets enough shit from Hogwarts students that his own brother is showing them up.

Yeah, like Harry's going to tolerate him that much. He'll probably shut him down like the little bitch he is.

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Dammnit, why is it so easy to hate Ron? And I don't mean just in this story, just generally.

 

It's easy to hate gingers.

 

I said that I think Ron is more friendly with him because he wants to meet personally with Viktor Krum, Harry's best friend, but I have not said I believe that Harry try to be friendly with Ron. In this fic, that would not happen even if we pay a lot of gold to Santi for it.

And as to why it is so easy to hate Ron, that's a question that has spent years trying to find an answer, and I have not yet found it.

 

I find it laughable that in one breath you're bemoaning the morons in this thread, and with your next you're defending the worst retard of them all.

I've been skipping about 3/4ths of the posts in the last few pages. Any of that Godwin bullshit, the anti-Syed posts, the retard back and forths, etc. The signal:noise is atrocious, but there's still usually a handful of posts every day or two which are worth reading. If someone made a digest of this thread with just the sensible, on-topic posts, god knows I'd subscribe to it.

 

So, I was wondering. Does anyone think that Harry might end up skipping another year in Dark Arts putting him in the same class as Calypso? He learned most of that list, and Viktor mentioned Vulcan's hammer being one of the last spells he learned in 6th year Dark Arts. I'm assuming it was 6th year at any rate. He also dueled to a draw with Calypso in a duel using only Dark Arts. Obviously, he doesn't want to skip any more classes because of what his parents would say, but I wouldn't put it passed Rosier to skip him without telling Harry that he intends to do so.

If you don't feel like discussing this, we could make some wild conjecture about how this Harry will deal with the dragon. How about discussing Rita's potential take on Harry in the tournament? I bet she gets some of those pictures of him drunk for one of her articles.

(shamelessly attempting to get this thread back to a topic that is remotely relevant)

 

I'd say no, only because The Santi has said Harry won't be skipping anymore years.

 

Assuming the canon tasks are retained, which I'm beginning to think they will be, Aqua Eructo seems possible. Though I suppose he could Transfigure something into a distraction like Cedric did, as his prowess with Transfiguration would work to create a more interesting version of the event that Cedric's attempt in canon.

On another note, where do Durmstrang students socialise?

 

I'll help!

Harry's been pretty good with keeping his word thus far, so I don't think that, on his own, he would try to skip another year in dark arts. I do agree though that Rosier may find a way to skip him, especially because of Harry's preparations for the tournament. He will know enough to skip ahead.

Saying that though, I would have to question Rosier's motives for doing such a thing. He wouldn't do it simply because he thinks Harry can, I think that there would have to be a deeper reasoning for him to do so. Although, it would be interesting to see the reactions of the Potters if he does skip ahead again. Heck, I'll settle for seeing their reactions to knowing what year Calypso is in

I am hoping that Santi alters the tasks so that it won't be a game of dodge-the-dragon, so I don't have much to say about that.

As for Rita though, I do see her portraying Harry as the antithesis of Nathan. If she does do like canon and fish around for information, she's bound to get some damning statements from the Hogwarts population regarding him.

But then again, James and Lily are alive in this story. I doubt that they would condone their children being slandered once they can do something to prevent it.

 

I've already thought of it, but we're allowed to dream, right?

 

A distraction is what I'm thinking he'll do for the first task as well, but it might be an illusion instead. He's been messing around with those since his second year, but has recently improved in them to the stage where he's able to use them in duels... so maybe against a dragon? We don't know if that would compensate for smell/sound though.

I'm thinking that Santi will save Aqua Eructo (Water Belch - great name btw, gives an impression of uncontrolled force) as a method of propulsion in the second task. Imagine if you will, water surrounding Harry and swifty conveying him through the lake to his hostage.

 

To bring back one of the earlier unimportant topics (yeah, yeah, I know :facepalm ), I wanted to try and find a picture that approximates my mental image of Calypso. So I did a Google image search for "dark hair emo teen girl," and found one. Yes, that's possibly another :facepalm right there, but oh well.

Take away the emo trappings and the piercings, and this girl (jpg link) sorta seems to work. Not someone I'd consider a stunner, but I don't think Calypso is a stunner either. And the eyes are almost the right color. Probably also a bit too old, but not hugely over the mark.

 

I really enjoyed the first duel where Harry used the illusion. It is how I believe a high level duel should be, where Harry used subtly, cunning and deception to great effect.