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General League of Legends

Discussion in 'League of Legends' started by Jon, Mar 18, 2010.

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  1. goldenwolfeye

    goldenwolfeye Seventh Year

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    Eve is the most polarizing champion in the game. Whenever I see an Eve played I know they will either be horribly bad, or terrifyingly good. There is no middle ground.
     
  2. Peteks

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    Riven is pretty damn good character. Once you get 40% cooldown reduction you are just bouncing around the map killing everything you see while being almost ungankable due to 4 dashes, and you have like the best AD steroid in your ultimate.

    BTW, anyone here playing Cassiopeia? IMO the strongest AP carry due to her absolutely insane sustained damage and ulti being as game changing as Amumu ulti when used correctly.
     
  3. TheWiseTomato

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    Never solo-queuing again. Is there a way to exclude Brazil from matchmaking lists?
     
  4. Peteks

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    You know, Brazilians are NOTHING compared to Russian premades which start flaming you instanty when one of them dies on the other side of the map ^^

    SoloQ Ranked is torture anyway. If you don't play a real snowballing character you can't do shit when your teammates are all drooling retards. Plus ragers who are fift picks and pick rally revive characters and come trolling mid when the first or second pick took the class they would have liked :S
     
  5. Redeye

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    I fucking wish.

    Some brazilian AP poppy who didn't even get a sheen went 2/7 then DC'd immediately after we got Baron. We were ahead massively even with her feed. Ended up losing the 4v5 after she left. I swear I should quit solo q-ing ranked. This shit always happens when things look good.
     
  6. Darth Disaster

    Darth Disaster The Waking Sith ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    This.

    It's impossible to be mediocre with Eve.



    Yeah, I'm glad I'm on the NA server, not EU West or East. That just sounds like asking for trouble.
     
  7. justbrowsing

    justbrowsing Seventh Year

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    I think the thing with Eve is that now that her stun is turned to a slow she is kind of shitty. Most people aren't that good and mixed with a shitty champ that makes for crappy Eve's. On the other hand the people that make her look good are probably people that are just very good at the game and doing well despite her. Those people probably would be even better if they actually played with a useful champ.
     
  8. Redeye

    Redeye Penultimate Lurker DLP Supporter

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    The thing about eve and twitch is you spend 400 gold and their whole utility is ruined. Waiting on that stealth rework....... Just like everything else riot promises...
     
  9. DvorakQ

    DvorakQ Seventh Year DLP Supporter

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    on the flipside, if you manage to gank the person wearing the oracles, they're out 400 gold :)
     
  10. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    Cass just isn't that great. Riot has issues with skill:reward ratios actually existing in game. Generally all champs should have the same strength no matter how hard they are to play. If you play Cass perfectly, you will preform slightly better than Annie. The difference is Annie can play one handed while also masturbating and composing a symphony.

    Her damage just isn't that impressive considering the amount of effort you have to invest for it and the margin of error available to cass players. Her ult can be gamechanging, but so can a tibbers which has larger range and a 50% higher AP ratio if they get hit by 1 second of his immolation aura (which they will).

    Technically, Cass is just as good as brand/annie/grag/ori/sion for AP carry, but in practice I find she falls pretty far behind. Ryze can do sustained damage much better while being an absolute tank.
     
  11. Jon

    Jon The Demon Mayor Admin DLP Supporter

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    It kinda disgusts me that they refuse to give incentives to playing high skill champions. Sure it's fun but fun doesn't mean much when their annie/yii wipes your entire team and all your elaborate manoeuvrers mean jackshit. ;-;

    tl;dr skill is antifun.

    It's fucked.
     
  12. Darth Disaster

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    This is what is making me eye HoN or DoTA 2 when it comes out. I like LoL, but the champion balancing is.. ugh. And this idea that anything which isn't EASY fun for the n00blets shouldn't be in game makes me cringe.
     
  13. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    I mean, it isn't like skill isn't involved in LoL. No there aren't amazingly high skill:reward ratios, but you can't play blitzcrank and suck either. Nor do all Blitzcranks automatically suck. There are some high risk high reward champions still. Take Sion for example. If you play AP, you have to take a solo lane on an actually very weak solo champ. With only 2 nukes that make gargantuan dents in his mana pool as well as extremely short range, your laning phase can be a bitch if you don't manage your mana properly. And any time you go for a kill, you are relying on your 2 spells to do some significant damage, because you are going in extremely close to use them and once you do use them, you are out of cards to play for 10 seconds.

    It's not like the DOTA 2 Invitational was about pudge hooks or mirana arrows in any way at all. It was more about 3 man instagib ganking that took advantage of map awareness and carry farming/denying. So basically what Lol is....

    And if you seriously want to play Hon over LoL, have fun with that.
     
  14. Darth Disaster

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    See, I don't know much about HoN, and DOTA 2 even less. I've just been.. looking, not liking what I'm seeing though. LoL is still on the top spot.

    I suppose it's just the rose-colored glasses coming off.


    OffTopic: AP Sion? INFIDEL. AD all the way. >.>

    In all seriousness, AP Sion is FOTM, and as soon as people learn to pop his shield, it'll go away/diminsh.
     
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  15. Link

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    Good luck with popping the shield of an AP Sion, which by the way has a 1:1 ratio on ability power. Not many champions have a strong enough nuke to pop that shield easily without losing more mana than Sion.
     
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  16. Darth Disaster

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    Honestly, Sion sucks vs ranged champs. And he's especially susceptible to harassment, if you see him in solo top put a squishy ranged carry up there who can harass and he'll be all but useless. He's absolutely terrible against champs like Ashe, or Cass, for instance. Who also have slows that ruin his ability to close.

    Nunu eats him alive, too.

    Also, Sion doesn't have much mana at all. His mana scales like a bruiser, not a caster. So just about any ranged AP should have ALOT more mana than he does. The mana tradeoff isn't even a consideration.

    Since AP builds are expensive as all getout, harass him early so he can't farm and thus can't buff up his shield. Then pop it every time he pulls it up.

    Even if he does pull it up, just stay away from him in 1v1, and in team fights have one or two champs designated to slap him with nukes before he gets close enough to use it and you'll see one very frustrated Sion who can then be focused down because he's likely not built any defense and has gimped his lifesteal abilities by going AP instead of AD. So even his Ult isn't that dangerous or that useful.

    AP Sion is FOTM with glaring weaknesses that people who solo queue have issues with, in any sort of premade or skilled game, AD Sion is much more viable, sustainable, harder to shut down, and useful via Team healing, TankyDPS, and stuns.
     
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  17. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    It's not that easy because sion takes mid so well. His shield also has an extremely high base of 300 with a 1:1 ratio, for anyone to break it they have to use multiple spells nearly 100% of the time. Very few can break it without using two spells. And if you use two spells? Well, Sion ends up ahead because you are behind on mana.

    And if you do manage to harass him well, it doesn't affect much because he can last hit at the tower like a boss and diving sion is a free meal for him.

    Once he hits level 7, he runs up to farm creeps with the shield and if you try to harass, he only has to get his stun off before both of your spells, then he pops his shield and gets away and you lose the trade. I think anyone here who has seen my AP sion knows how absurdly strong the character is. Even when shezza's team was stomping mine, I was still eating them left and right.

    The 1:1 ratios are extremely strong as well because with 2 dorans, boots, and AP runes, my level 9 burst is an instant 640 damage. That's not enough to burst down mid (in one go) but it is enough to destroy a side lane that is level 6/7 when you come charging in boots 5-ablazin before they can react. At less than 1500g after starting gold, boots5+double dorans makes sion the strongest ganker from mid lane in the game.

    The only people who can really take sion are extremely high damage characters without huge resource dependencies like riven/akali. Characters like Morgana/Cho/Yorick can split the lane with him and deny him kills, but they won't be able to push the lane or prevent him from ganking after that first 500g either.

    As for squishy AD carries, Sion can last hit at the tower for 1500g, then be a boss ganker and snowball. Or, he can simply charge you with a full shield ready to pop, you attack you get stunned, you dont he farms.
     
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  18. Evan Tide

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    Wait, what? This makes absolutely zero sense.

    Two rotations from AP Sion will gut any squishy against him, especially with Ignite on. There are 3 bushes he can pop out of to stun + Shield you in top lane. His stun has 625 range and the shield has 300 base at rank 5, without considering the 1:1 AP ratios on both skills. His shield also has a 550 range, so it's not like he needs to get that close to nuke you anyways.

    The only range champs that would even stand a realistic chance against him 1v1 are Graves and Caitlyn. Caitlyn can at least match his range and get out fast enough. Graves can bust down the shield or use smoke to stop him from stunning people.


    Cassiopea's Q+E is barely strong enough to take out Sion's shield, but she wastes 50% more mana to do it.
     
  19. Darth Disaster

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    Maybe I've just not played against very good AP Sions, then. Because I've had very little trouble harassing them into nigh uselessness with Morgana, Ashe or Nunu.

    Or I pick up a banshee's veil and his Q doesn't even do much to me later on.
     
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  20. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    You might be able to split the lane as morg or nunu because of your sustain, but morg has trouble finishing people off now as is. Throw in a 200-400 shield every 7-8 seconds to absorb the damage and sion's new scaling magic resist and you won't ever kill him or even force him out of lane. Nunu would never be able to touch sion, because he doesn't even tickle with damage and has no finishing power at all vs a character with an on demand stun. As ashe, unless sion is a mouth breather and doesn't understand that ducking behind creeps makes him immune to volley, sion will push the lane too hard for Ashe to keep up at around 7-9, and even get kills with stun-->shield-->ignite combos.
     
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