So I just got myself up to 3300 Ip points and I'm wondering if I should save up more for one of the later Champions or buy one of the mid point level ones. I have been playing Kayle for the last little while but I'm looking for something a little more involved then her to play. Still a rather new player, only played a handful of games so far and looking for any advice.

 

Just because champs are cheap, doesn't mean they're weak or uninvolved.

Make sure you have Annie, Alistar, Ashe, Amumu, Janna, Taric, Sion, Corki, Fiddlesticks and Warwick first.

They cover practically all the bases on every type of champ needed and are all 1350 or less.

These champions are the ones that you learn the game with.

 

Why both Sion and Alistar, I can understand one or the other but why both?

 

AP Nuke, AD carry, off-tank, Massive combat healer vs full Tank, AP Off-tank, Support, and Roamer.

The roles. Learn them. Sion does not do what Alistar does and Alistar does not do what Sion does.

 

Ah fair enough, this game has a whole lot more to it then I originally thought it would when I jumped in. Now that you mention the roles though I can at least see how those two differ, thanks.

 

I refuse to buy Annie. Simple-ass no skill needed domination from early-game to late game.

People who play annie a lot get my scorn.

 

She's squishy all through the game, and if she goes mid, like she usually does when I'm up against her, that squishiness translates into an easy gank.

She only dominates if you let her dominate.

 

One thing to remember is that tier lists are good and all, but often pros do have a few heros they master, and often they are not considered 'good heros' and you never see any other pro touching them, which I think is actually good.

What I mean is you dont just see the same 10 heros in every game, not even on pro level. Like if you take the time to master a hero, like say Hotshotgg's Nidalee or Dan Dinh's Heimer, champs that no one else can actually play nearly as well as them, they can still carry pro-level games with what other people considet to be subpar champions.

Seriously, find a champ that you enjoy and play the shit out of it. LoL actually does balance pretty well for the most part, and any champ can be good if you know how to use em. Jungle Maokai, a hero that no one else ever plays, just carried mlg yesterday.

 

It's more about how your champ fits into your team comp IMO. At least in the tourney scene. Solo Queue is a whole different animal where you are generally better off going with pub stompers that have fewer bad match ups in lane. For example, Kennen did work during one MLG game that I watched, but they also specifically banned and picked around Kennen so that it would fit in the team comp they designed. Kennen isn't going to be good a majority of games even if you master him because he has a lot of bad match ups.(EDIT: I should say that, on a high level he has a lot of bad match ups. Player skill often determines who wins lanes at lower levels.)

Even Doublelift had to abandon some of his favorite champs(Blitz/Poppy) because they just weren't very good fits in the current Meta at a competitive level.

As for Jungle Maokai, I always thought he was sleeper OP. His snare is too good, you try to flash away? He's gonna follow you! Stonewall actually kind of exposed the secret on State of the League last week too... Look for tons of jungle Mao's, the new masteries make him even stronger and faster in the jungle. (MLG was played on the Shyvana patch so they used old masteries)

So while you can master certain champs and carry hard with them, unless you are a pro, you are probably going to lose the less favorable match-ups vs some of the more "OP" FotM champs.

I personally had a hard time dealing with this because I used to play Poppy so much. I mean she single handedly carried me out of my old 650 elo (I jumped into ranked games WAY too early). As I got around the average elo (1100-1300, the true elo hell) I realized that if I want to advance further I'd have to learn more viable champions. Ever since the start of the pre season, I would still play Poppy, even be pretty successful with her, but it's an uphill battle.

Not to say don't play champs you like just because they are "underpowered" just be aware of the match ups and team comp when you're picking your favorite under-used champion.

 

So you're a scrub who refuses to learn to counter a simple champ and hates people who use her.


It's not like half of all mids nowadays either outrange or negate Annie. Or the fact that Annie can only kill you if you're stupid enough to have zero HP and Mres runes/masteries/items while going mid vs enemy casters.

FACT: Annie kills idiots. 75% of this game's player base is compromised of idiots who can't break 1250 Elo.

 

And TSM was forcing Karthus counter comps with their Soraka ban, too : ).

Even better was when they banned Soraka, then didn't even bother picking Karthus and instead went Leblanc, so some of the Karthus-counter pics were worthless.


But yeah, I supposed I should have elaborated more, but team comp is clutch. That's actually what Elementz' tier list is entirely based on: Top Tier champs there are Champs that fit in basically any team comp, while T3/T4 champs are just much harder to fit in.

However, the thrust of my argument is that you CAN play champs you find fun and have success with them even on the pro level, regardless of how OP/Nerfed they may seem to other players. Individual skill with champs go a long way (like my god Regi should have been playing Karthus and Kassadin and Leblanc forever, because of how innately agressive they are, and how much that fits his playstyle), much moreso then in other similar games.


So if you like that Rumble, or that Eve, or that Leblanc, you CAN- you just have to make sure your team works with that hero, which is much easier to do on a pro team >.>

 

I'm pretty sure Elementz has two tier lists. 1 for Solo Que and 1 for Draft mode (aka tournament play)

Regardless we do see eye to eye on this. Legit

 

Yeah, the Draft Tier list is based on team comp-ability, and the Solo Queue list is based on who you can carry a game with regardless of team, iirc.

 

If you're gonna premade, at least have the decency to invite everyone to your chat/vent/skype instead of only 3 out of 4.

Also, not using Phoenix Udyr ever again. Can't function as him at all compared to Tiger.

 

Listen Prom you little cunt, Juede is my friend from real life and was the only person i was skyping with. When I'm playing normals, I really don't care to be on skype or vent. I choose to be on skype with juede because he is my friend, not to coordinate anything.

If you are going to join a premade, have the decency to not shit talk the people in the premade with you when you don't play optimally, let alone anywhere near half-decently yourself. I'm just glad Juede didn't take offense to my subjecting him to your shit.

 

Today is definitely troll day, both in normal and ranked. 11 loss, 1 win today. Last game we had 2 mid and 2 jungle... and before that game, a french premade surrendered a winning game just to piss me off.

I guess the universe hates me and wants to compensate for the winning streak of yesterday.

 

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, boy.

I don't care if you've got more experience or wins or someshit. You're a condescending prick. And half of what you say that isn't THE most basic shit around seems to be terribly wrong.

"Only kills you if you have zero blah blah blah". I wasn't talking about going mid, you slimeball jackass. But there's absolutely nothing like preparing for a team battle, only to have annie round a corner, drop her ultimate on you in an AOE stun that also fucks 2/3rd's of your tank's goddamn health and leaves a squishy or two with maybe a sliver left. Her ult then picks a squishy and chases it away, doing AOE damage the entire time.

If NOT outright killing them if they weren't at full health.

And I know how to counter her. Harass her pre-six so she can't farm, especially useful if you outrange her, if you've got a silence then interrupt her combos and chains. Since she needs them in normal 1v1. Post-Six just be ready to flash away if she flashes in to try and ult you, since there's normally some mouse-lag between the flash and her ult.

I said I refuse to BUY her. Not that I don't know a damned thing about her. And that people who play such a no-skill-needed champion, often, had my scorn. Not that I refused to learn anything about her, dickwad.

For your information, when she was on free-rotation some weeks ago, I played the shit out of her, with great reluctance, to figure exactly that out. And I'm probably going to do it again, though to a lesser degree, this week.

For your reference, any questions or comments I post in this thread are not directed towards you. And your responses are no longer seen as salient or welcome.

Eat a dick.

 

Right now some of the most hilarious streamers (Regi, Saintvicious, Dyrus, Xpecial, and Doublelift) are queueing up together for hilarious strategies.

http://clgaming.net/live/1147-reginaid

Most definitely worth watching.

 

I missed a few posts here but...

On champion picking:
Like I referenced in my last post, read http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1498738

One very important thing to remember is that 50% of the ranked player base is within 1000-1400 elo. Being there doesn't mean you are bad, just that you aren't quite top 35%. If you think you are really a 1700 player, realize that you are claiming to be one of the top 2000 some players in NA.

At the start of season 1 I hit 1500 before I quit the game for a bit. At the time, the #1 spot was held by Reginald at 1750 something. I was on the first 5 or so pages of the ranked ladder. I didn't play ranked again until they announced prizes, when I played back to 1520 from 1400 where I had decayed in 12 or so games. Turns out that Jarvan skin was shit anyway.

Always play a champion you enjoy. Remember that you are playing for fun. A lot of the game is about mindset. If you think you are going to lose, you are probably going to. If you think you are going to win, you have a better chance of doing so. Play positively and play for fun. If you lose two in a row, it may very well be your attitude affecting your play and setting you up for failure. Take a break and come back later.

With 6 bans now, feel free to ban around your champion if you ever get the chance to. If you like Akali, eve, shaco, etc, ban leesin so he can't fuck your stealth up. If you like tanky dps, ban kog and vayne so they can't shred you. I am really enjoying fizz, so I would ban fiddle. (He instant ccs you so you cant dodge, followed by a silence that you cant dodge because you are feared, followed by a drain you cant dodge because he drains through the pole.)

If you play a champ you enjoy and are good at, you will do better than playing a champ that is the current OP. I have seen more rage related to "HOW CAN THIS GUY FEED WITH [OP character x]?? ITS SO EASY TO PLAY!!!" than I have anything else. Whenever tanky DPS are released, a pretty strong way to cheat wins is to play teemo top vs them. It's a hard counter to them and that coupled with players being inexperienced with the character make it so you can easily feed on them. The same can be applied to any FOTM champion. Be assured that if you play a character you are good at and have practiced, you will beat a player of equal skill who picks up the most recent OP character because he heard they were OP.

I played Garen before Garen was good (*hipster glasses*). I'm sure a refined google search from around the start of S1 will turn up some forum posts of people mocking me for arguing that tank garen worked well. I stacked sunfire capes (when they stacked) and dominated games. This was pre-rework garen that actually gained more damage from a sunfire cape than he did from an infinity edge. I got queue dodged and laughed at constantly, but my garen stats were ridiculous.

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The Volibear approaches:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1509213

 

Just saw them win a 20 minute game with 50 kills to 5. The whole other team was teleport/revive and at one point, they all stood in a circle while dyrus penta-killed their team multiple times. And it was ranked.