To be perfectly honest I'm still reluctant Kai. You were awfully quick to role claim when dissent to your plan started to boil up. The decision to come out seemed a bit rushed, and it also seems like you're really pushing for this to go through even before the role claim.

What was all the smoke and mirrors in the beginning for? Attention?

Anything to say about all that?

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This is why I suggested Dancer. Granted, it would "out" another town role. But it wouldn't be Kai. That might be preferable.

That or we can just vote for a completely different mayor, and let this judge debacle resolve itself.

 

I really think this may be the case.

Anyway, I really think we should atleast follow the no-lynch vote since that ought to kill one witch.

If you want a townie as the Mayor,then fucking vote for me.

 

Argh, so much confusion! At least I know not to vote for Sesc. And what is up with Republic21's posts? Can it be any more obvious that he's in cahoots with Sesc?

Kai, I'm still slightly suspicious of. I'd like to hear the answer to Sneakthief's question as well.

 

What really annoys me is that Kai has pretty much forced the plan upon us by prematurely judge-claiming. Assuming for the moment that he's telling the truth about his claim, that means that we either have to go along with his plan to make him mayor or allow our judge to die on night one.

And a quick show of hands, people: who here was at all surprised when it turned out that Kai's plan revolved around making him the mayor? I don't think I could have been any less surprised than when I saw Kai claim as the judge just a few posts after he said we should give a load of power to whoever the judge is.

Gah. Writing it all out pisses me off even more. It's almost enough to make me remove my vote for Kai, but I'll leave it for now. I don't want to lose our judge.

THOUGH, on second thoughts:

Kai's plan works equally well regardless of whether we give the mayor position to Kai or Sesc. As Kai has said many times, the idea of the plan is that it works to the benefit of the town regardless of if the actual judge gets the mayor position or not.

GIVEN THIS, and given that Kai is a bit suspicious for the above reasons, I think we should use Kai's plan, but not as Kai wanted us to use it, by giving the position of mayor to Sesc.

Rescind vote.

Mayor vote: Sesc.

(Of course, the worst case scenario here is that Sesc and Kai are both scum...)

 

If that's your take on it then it's me being stupid. If I were playing scum I wouldn't be this forward in following someone else's plan, but I am because think it's a good one.

Maybe it's because I don't view the Mayor as being particularly powerful, so I'm willing to take risk in voting for some of the more well known players despite the chance of them being scum.

Secondly, KaiDASH simply feels innocent to me, which goes against my normal antipathy towards him in these games. Seriously, check the Winterfell qt from HoT2; I focused on Kai as the most dangerous player and oriented my plans around him for a reason. I'm trusting my gut on this. I just don't think Kai is guilty this time.

Besides which, anyone who comes up with a Plan of some sort is automatically suspected of being scum. This applies to Kai especially because he always has a Plan, whether he's innocent or guilty.

 

If we give mayor to 1 of the 2 Judge claimers, as I see it we have a 50% chance of having a town mayor.

If we give mayor to anybody else we have a higher, closer to 2/3 chance.

Which is better?

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Edit by double post:

In option 1 we have a guarantee (sort of) that there isn't a scum mayor

 

That may be so Eternity Lost, but I see no way in which Sesc is the actual judge. The only trouble for me is determining whether or not it's still possible for Kai to be scum.

Taure, it's still better for the town if we try and not get the mayor killed. So voting for the one with the least chance of being scum would still be the ideal path.

 

Well, if we abandon the Kai for Mayor idea then I would suggest we keep the no lynch vote idea. It makes sense to get rid of the fakeclaimer first, since there's a high probability of them being scum. The only way to prove which is telling the truth is to see which one survives the day.

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Actually, it's probably a better idea to keep you two out of the Mayor spot, since that way we can keep the damage to the town at a minimum. One of you is going to die today, and the Judge is pretty much a one shot ability with the way we bandwagon on day 2+. This way at least we keep one of the abilities that can kill the Enchantress out right.

As well as that, if Kai is indeed the Lover of a Warlock then when he dies we also open up the Enchantress to normal kills.

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So... Back to my default vote.

Rescind Vote

Mayor Vote: Aekiel

 

Objectively speaking then Sesc, why come out and roleclaim? If you were the real judge, you should have stayed silent and judge-killed Kai when we elected him and voted no-lynch.

As far as I'm concerned, Kai is pretty damn sure of the judge not being able to kill him which is why he proposed this grand plan. Knowing Kai, I'm sure everyone can agree on this. Either being a judge himself or one of the other circumstances mentioned above, it remains to be seen whether he's town or scum.

 

Ok, I agree with going with the no lynch plan and that the mayor shouldn't be Kai and Sesc.
There is better chances of getting town mayor this way.
rescind vote
Mayor Vote: Ashaya
, because it is a toss up for me and I believe that she is town.

 

That's a strange vote, guljons. As far as I can tell Ashaya has said a whole lot of nothing in this thread. She's just randomly popped up for a one liner every now and then, and then dropped off the face of the Earth again. So why exactly do you get the impression that she's town?

 

Mayor Vote: Sesc
Kai smells, and it isn't just fishy, he stinks like rotting corpses and burning bodies.

 

Enough talking! We need a mayor already. Ashaya makes a good neutral choice, and is guaranteed to not TL;DR us.

Rescind vote.

Mayor vote: Ashaya

 

Well I looked at people who put themselves out for mayor and it was more about who I didn't want to vote for. In the end it came to be between her and Jon, but he already had his term.