what? when I play shen I go mid and win agains everyone there. (never lost yet, it may happen eventually but meh.) veigar soraka bot will allow him to abuse *darkmatter* and q to farm, range ad top to poke and farm next to its tower, adn a jungle roamer. or a 2cd healer/ support at top to help with the ad range.

I'm pulling this otua nowere, not sure about what to put top side, but moving bruiser battle at mid may wierd out the enemy

 

With the slight heal nerf this patch, you may start seeing less double heal bot lanes which makes Alistar/Poppy quite the pubstomping duo bottom.

Wukong/Vlad/Fizz/Shaco are all heavy pubstompers with trollpole/pool/stealth. Attackspeed vayne can destroy bruisers top. Run attackspeed runes, max W first, build PD first then into a regular carry build. Early game you just destroy bruiser top lanes.

 

Heimerdinger is actually a pretty strong character, but people don't know how to play him. So many bad Heimer's level turrets first and randomly drop them in lane, when they should actually be levelling rockets first. More importantly though, people don't know how to play with him. People expect a mage who can instantly burst a dude down like Annie or Brand. Heimer's damage isn't like that, he doesn't do targeted burst well. He can't choose who his turrets attack, he can't aim his rockets at someone in the back of a fight and his grenade is impossible to land on anyone who isn't already locked down.

What Heimer does bring is very strong, sustained, AoE damage which makes him great for sieges and long, drawn out fights. He wears down teams over time with rockets and grenades (he'll never get the stun off, but can usually blind and damage someone or force them to dodge into an unsafe position). His turrets can very quickly shred champions, buildings or monsters if given the chance. He works very well with lots of lockdown and slows to stop people immediately kiting away from his turrets. Champions like Ashe, Nautilus, Nunu and Sejuani come to mind.

 

He also lets you take baron/dragon very early.

 

I actually use Heimdinger quite a bit, and he's VERY strong pre-6. Honestly, there isn't a single mage that could really outrange him except for maybe Xerath and Lux. However, incomparison to their skill shots, Heimdinger's rockets are a lot easier to hit. His passive gives the best sustain needed and he just works out nicely. As for the stun grenade, it's actually relatively easy to hit if you use your ult first (this is talking about teamfights of course) and if the fight is in the jungle, it's amazing what those turrets can do in bushes. When I play him though, I generally run teleport so I can get early wards +extra dorans quickly, since Heim doesn't really need Ignite a lot of times anyways (He just doesn't have that much burst unless enemy rushes you). Regardless though, his laning phase isn't the reason why people don't use him. It's late game when that Cait can one shot your turrets that makes it frustrating to play him. When that happens, it's like you shoot your rockets, hit or miss grenade, and you run away.



Anyways, just now, I played a really fun troll game. Had a Lux and Soraka both call mid at beginning. We also had a Orianna that I knew wanted mid (was in queue with her but there was a dodge). Decided to completely troll the game, so I went my Zilean and the last person went Kayle. Invaded their blue at level 1, killed one easily with Lux's snare, etc. Took their blue, and four of us went mid while Kayle went bot. Almost managed to kill the Viktor, but he flashed away. Killed another person that decided to come to mid lane through their jungle (Not the river, so still on their side), with Lux's snare, double bomb, and whatever else there was. At this point the enemy was like "LOL, wtf, this isn't ARAM" But they all went mid anyways, besides their Lulu who stayed at bot with Kayle. Nonetheless, having a Lux, Orianna, Zilean, and Soraka mid vs a Viktor, Sejuani, Garen, Riven, it wasn't even a contest on who was better at poking. Took Mid tower, Took Top tower next, inner Top tower, inner mid, and it was gg at that point. 20 minute mark, and Kayle farmed up a nice IE and PD by then too. Destroyed their nexus at around 22 minutes. Best troll game ever ^^

 

If you're a tank or Tanky DPS and you're too pussy to initiate, then d/c now. That's about about how useful you are to the team.

 

I initiate like a Bawse.

Then my team hesitates, and yells at me for feeding when their entire team rapes me because mine just stands there while I get destroyed under our own turret.

Awesome choice, right?

Right.

 

So the basic fundamental logic behind the Elo system is that if you win matches, you get matched with and against higher rated players. Conversely if you lose, you get matched with and against lower rated players. Thus, over the course of many games, players of equal skill will eventually end up being matched against each other. Right? Right.

So after going on a decent win streak where I'm playing with and against good players and every game is pretty close, you'd think I'd be matched with even better players. But oh no, that would be logical. What actually happened is I've spent the last twenty games being matched with the worst kind of cunt trolls, on both teams, who are all too happy to cuss me the fuck out for every single thing I do, no matter if it was right or wrong. Any good rating system will have you lose half of your games and that's fine, I can deal with that, I can accept being beaten by better players, but holy fuck the people I'm getting matched with!

Over the last two days I've been bitched at for 'wasting money' by buying wards when playing Janna. I've been called a noob for buying magic resist against a fed LeBlanc, because apparently "niggertrons is tank item u noob". I've had a Janna ragequit at level 1 because I started with boots and health potions instead of a Doran's Blade against Caitlyn/Sona. I've been raged at for 'kill stealing' more in the last two days of LoL than I ever have in years of playing MMOs where it is actually possible to steal kills. And judging from the post game chat, the enemy team has been just as bad.

How the fuck are any of these morons better than the good, friendly, talkative players who cooperate and use teamwork that I've been playing with and against for the last few months?

/rant

 

Telling ya, atmogs/fon/tf on every character is the only way to win solo queue.

 

I recently started using this strategy sometimes.

It's sad, but it works really well for just about anyone.

I saw atmogs/fon/tf Orianna rape a team. It was sad.

ORIANNA.

 

Well... her passive stacks up to make her auto-attacks hit for bonus damage up to 45% more damage, if nothing else.(well, the passive at least does)

 

Any champ with a moderate amount of CC or a decent ability to stick to a target can dominate with metagolem.

Metagolem veigar is great.

 

For some reason, whenever I try to actually use meta-golem, I spectacularly fail at it.

Don't know why either, since I do fine with other builds on the same champs. I just can't run meta-golems for crap on tanky DPS.

Except when I Shaco, but Shaco's full of BS anyways.

 

Easiest metagolem to play is GP.
He has absurd damage output with 0 items compared to others. The problem you run into with metagolem is that triforce first isn't that strong, it gives you a good amalgamation of stats, but leaves you easy to kill when focused. So if you don't win your lane, you don't win the game. Unless you play irelia.

On GP, you can skip the triforce and go pure hp and be tanky mc tank tank and never die.
You get 40AD and 20% ms from E active, a 360HP heal/cleanse with W, and high damage from Q/Passive. Not to mention free gold from Q+cross map assists from ult. You go top, build philo into hog into mogs into atmas into fon and level W>E>Q and win.

 

So, I just got told by a Nocturne that because I can play Fiora that automatically excludes me from being able to play Viktor.

Okay, seriously, I'm going to ask DLP since people in-game are fucking morons (generally speaking). Is Viktor underpowered? I have always said that he is, but I felt like this thread needed more math dickwaving.

 

Viktor is sub-par. He's the only AP where he's gimped an item at end-game and can't actually DPS or burst well.

His DPS Q has short range while his E has long CD, even with maxed CDR. Both do sub-par damage and his ulti doesn't really do much unless you follow a guy around forever at end-game.

 

Well, I wouldn't really say he's Gimped an item end game, as Hex Core does provided rather nice stats for a relatively cheap cost (meaning that gold can go elsewhere). At first glance, Viktor is really just like a crappy version of Swain, but he has his own uses. IMO, while Augment: Death seems like the best (DPS-wise), Gravity and Power is better on Viktor who can never be one of the stronger burst mage (as he is right now). Power let's him trade during laning phase and usually win all the exchanges, but outside of that, it gets useless. Gravity on the other hand, while it does not improve Viktor's stat's individually, is really lethal in team fights. If team sticks together, it's relatively easy to get ~3 champions stunned with his W. He can literally just cut out the carries from the game for a short while without repercussions. His ult does hidden damage during team fights (unlike Brand's, etc) and can add up too a lot if opponents don't notice.

Still, the problem still lies in while Viktor can be relatively good in one aspect, he remains sub-par in the others. I personally just think there hasn't been enough people playing him for him to seem strong. I always feel as though Viktor (also Sejuani) are the two champions that will eventually see more play, but are just hidden for now. Maybe when we see the next big nerf to champions.

 

From the times I've played Viktor and done really well with him, I've always felt like a huge liability that could be better replaced by pretty much any mage in an end-game fight.

He doesn't provide the well-rounded CC + damage or the utility that other mages do. Even Vlad helps the team more by amping up damage.