Bullshit.

Viktor is defined not by his Q, not by his E, or his ult, but by his W. Viktor's W is better than Trundle's Pillar of Filth. Because it actually, stuns, not just slows.

His W is awesome in teamfights. I cannot tell you how many teams have gone "OMG QQ VIKTOR AOE STUN". I love using it to ambush their team in their own jungle in level one teamfights. Drop his W and his R in the middle of any tightly packed teamfight or grouping of enemies and you've just about secured the fight unless your team really effing blows.

Think of it this way. Amumu's ult has a wider range, but it's on a longass timer. Endgame Viktor can do it every ten seconds, and it doesn't have to be centered around him.

His W is also useful in discouraging or flat out stopping chases. I've saved two or three members of my team by running into the jungle and dropping it behind us several times. As well as turned around chases and allowed us to grab a kill or two, making something better out of a bad situation.

It's also pretty useful for saving my ass from ganks in mid.

Wukong, Nasus, Udyr, Sion, Tryndamere, Garen, Nocturne, Shaco.. if you have to be in my face to gank me, my W is going to shut you down, and my Q is going to protect me long enough to get away. And while I'm running away, I can fire off my E without slowing myself down or putting myself in any danger at all. Making the ganker vulnerable to a counter gank, or at least forcing him to go back instead of just retreating back into the jungle.

Nocturne hates Viktor's W. He ults in.. I drop my W.. I get away, he QQs and slinks away sadly, if I don't turn around and rape him with a full combo while he's stunned, that is.

Also, it's hilarious to lock people down under their own Turret with his W. I love it when my lane opponents take Teleport when I'm Viktor. Because if I see them Tele in, I can drop my W around their turret while it's channeling, and then poke the fuck out of them with my E without ever taking a hit from the turret. With as much damage as his E does with an Upgrade, it pisses them off that they've been in lane literally three seconds and are literally already missing a large chunk (if not half) of their health.

I've MURKED Tanky Swains under their own turret from full health with a W > R > Q > E combo. One enemy karthus was so pissed after I did it to him for a third time that he literally refused to go back mid and forced the jungler to do it instead.


Throw in the damage that his E can dish out (I've knocked half the health off an entire level 18 4+ full item built team when well fed with just his E).. and Viktor is an incredible teamfighter.

His E does Surprising damage. It can hurt the hell out of team just with it's immediate poke, but the Extra 30% Damage catches lots of people off guard. And I've probably caught 30 to 50 extra kills over my career playing him because they didn't calculate in that amount, since it's a DoT that many aren't familiar with and hurts more than they expect it to.

With his Q he has some extra surivivability that someone like Brand or Xerath or Ziggs has no effing dream of ever achieving. There have been multiple instances of me (barely) surviving a gank or a chase because I could block incoming damage for a few seconds just by tossing his Q out at someone.

Viktor doesn't have the incredible burst of Veigar, or the endless, unstoppable sustained damage of That Damn Snake Bitch, but he's got a fair amount of both, he can fire his heavy nuke on the move without any disruption in travel, and it's path of travel isn't predictable. It may always go in a straight line, but you never have any damn guarantee of which angle it's coming from or going to. Making it a hell of a harassment and zoning tool.

The short AOE silence is disruptive enough that I've seen it throw people off of their rhythm. His ult is actually rather intimidating. Like Tibbers in that it will chase your ass down while doing heavy damage if you haven't sucked and gotten no kills.

Also, even if you only ever use Death Ray Upgrade, 99 AP and 30% extra damage on your main nuke for 1k gold is nothing to sneeze at.

Plus he's got great farm with the same tool that he can use to poke. It's funny to watch an incoming team follow in behind a minion wave... only to destroy the entire minion wave and poke the hell out of them with one ability. Suddenly they're slowed from Rylai's, under my turret without minions to take the hits, and already taken damage from my nasty, upgraded E. At which point my teammates step in.

All with one ability.

At which point I can just drop my W to lock down (or slow at the least) several of them under the tower, making it even easier for my team.

Don't fight me as Viktor under my turret once I've upgraded my E. It WILL end badly for you without overwhelming force.

Just because you're not using him to his full potential doesn't mean he's bad.

I bet you don't even build Rylai's on him.

Several times I've upgraded his Q instead of his E, and kited the shit out of some slow bastard in the mid, running literal circles around my opponent while at the same time being protected from the damage they dish out and being nearly as tanky as(or more than) some Swains.

His E has the Poke range of Xerath (and almost Lux) outside of Locus. But it's far more versatile and unpredictable.

Xerath, Brand, Lux, Anivia, Annie, Karthus, TF, Ryze, and Ziggs are all mids that I can reliably beat because of how very versatile he is. Assuming players of near equal or even somewhat superior skill, depending on the champ.

Morgana, Fizz, LB, Kassadin and Cass are the only ones I have any real issue with on a common basis.

Swain is iffy, as he is heavily, heavily dependent upon skill. A good one is troublesome as fuck, but even just nominal or okay swains are no real issue.

tl;dr You're wrong.

Q: Survivability, mild utility (to himself) and fair damge.

W: Utility, Utility, Utility. AND MOAR UTILITY.

E: OW GODDAMNIT, WTF, IT FIRED FROM BEHIND ME? WAIT, WHY AM I STILL TAKING.. (You have been slain!)

R: Lightning!Cloud Tibbers with a fucking SILENCE.

 

Never seen a Sej do well. Best I can say was one that took top and didn't feed too terribly but had a mediocre score and got carried by the other two lanes that did well and my somewhat fed jungle riven. (BTW, Maw sucks on Riven, but the 1400g hexdrinker was nice.)

Viktor I have seen, but also not often. I've beat both viktors I laned against as Gragas and Veigar. I've been destroyed by Viktors when I am not the one laning against them though.

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Viktor is really hard to use. He's got a lot of skillshots, and his heaviest nuke has an odd interface.

A good Gragas is a terror. He's tanky, sustainable, maneuverable, has great poke/burst, and his Ult can ruin your day again, and again, and again, and again.

Veigar is a bastard, but only the real good ones are serious trouble. I can just poke them from outside the range of that stun with my E and never be in trouble so long as I'm ready to flash out when they flash in for the Full Combo.

 

@Walking: There's a reason Viktor is one of the least-seen AP champs at 1.6k+ and has one of the lowest W/L ratios.

Not only is he harder to play, he's also one of the lowest scaling champs at end-game.

He has average DPS and his burst is nearly nonexistent amongst casters. His best form of CC is countered by using any of a ton of dash skills.

He's good early. That's about it. In an even game, once most are built up, Viktor dies horribly and fades off fast.

Honestly, I don't find him that hard to use. It's the fact that he fades out so badly at late-game that annoys the shit out of me.

And no, this isn't QQ from me losing. I've done spectacularly with Viktor. He just can't win games like other casters at all.

 

This. In my experience, Viktor is an early-game champion. Picking him, you're going to want to be aggressive, and force a surrender before mid-game, because he honestly cannot win a duel with anyone in late-game.

 

Victor trades out some late game damage in return for a strong early/mid game and great crowd control. He's not underpowered, he's just a different kind of AP carry.

 

You mean he's built like the old AP carries, since that's how every old AP carry was designed. Except they were all retooled to be amazing, or at least consistently strong if fed, late-game also instead of early-mid wonders.

The only AP that still is pure early is LB, and even she can mass CC everything constantly without having to rely on luck.

Viktor was released under an archaic build structure that failed horribly. That's why he's bad. It's not that he's weak. He just can't do shit late-game since he has ridiculous CDs and low-ass DPS + burst.

 

Bit of a shameless plug, but my friend is smurfing ranked games. http://www.own3d.tv/live/260487/2k__elo_TVB_Fala_Chen

I think he'll start in about 15-30 minutes, and should be playing Evelyn vs ~1400s.

Edit: nvm no runes. Forget this post.

Edit: AD janna instead

SUPER EDIT - FUCK THIS. Sorry I lied. Some other homosexual little cunt picked Janna isntead.

 

Rabbit sorry. Rabbit slit wrists now. You want blood? Sell on black market, buy rp, np.

 

Here's how my ranked games have been going the last few days. Play game and pubstomb opponents in an easy one sided game->gain elo. Play another and have some horrendous troll who feeds and/or rages hard->lose elo. Circle of life.

That said, Lulu ult after fiddle ults. LULUCAWCAWCAW!

 

His mommy will spank him if he doesn't wake up for school on time? :3 That said, he plays average games at his own elo, but usually goes hardcore trolololol mode on smurf.

 

I just bought Corki, and he is now the only carry I will play. True damage, armor penetration, and his built-in flash(which makes him nigh-ungankable running cleanse/flash) are all fun, but DAT ULT. It pokes, it scales, it does everything but cook you breakfast in the morning.

 

You can roast Anivia pigeons with your W fire. Makes a delicious breakfast/dinner.

 

Lulu Solos and Attackspeed/On-hit or whatever other fucking retarded build Lulus can go fuck themselves.
Fucking retards.

 

Lulu Solos and Attackspeed/On-hit or whatever other fucking retarded build Lulus can go fuck themselves.
Fucking retards.

Erm, I have no idea why this double posted, I clicked once and then went to shit...

 

first post and its in the LOL thread.... oh well

LOL id is Akaike and i play on eu west. at the moment trying to get out of elo hell. if someone wants to duo ranked add me and say you're from DLP pls.

also i searched and didn't find any DLP ranked team. if there is i would like to take part. i play top, mid (just morde for this one) and support. learning to jungle by necessity

 

Why so mad, Churchey? I thought metagolem was best on every champ?