Metagolem would work on Lulu if she had could farm it, which she could if she could take a solo lane, which she can't vs competent opponents. Even though when I said best it was laced with heavy sarcasm and mockery of how broken atmogs is, I would still stand by it being the most effective complete build on every character.

Hence the whole "fucking retarded build" phrase instead of saying "metagolem."

Attackspeed/on-hit bullshit builds are something that crops up every time a champion with an on-hit is released. Kennen, Orianna, Kogmaw, Vayne, Teemo, etc. It doesn't work because the items just aren't good. In Lulu's case specifically, the hybrid damage is impossible to itemize for in the late game because you don't have room for voidstaff and last whisper for your damage which will be split more or less down the center as magic/physical. Not to mention you pay 12kg to deal less damage than a carry could do with 6k.

Seriously though, whatever your petty little problem with me is, let it go. You look stupid trying to make snide little contraries to every single thing I say because you tried to argue for a gimmick build and ended up looking foolish.

 

I'm pretty sure it wasn't me who ended up looking foolish after the Soraka discussion, but whatever helps you sleep at night

All your arguments against offspec builds seem to revolve around a champion's effectiveness in the very late game when everyone has a full item build. And that's cool, building a team for late game is certainly one way to win. But how many games ever last the 50+ minutes that takes? Most games will snowball from a strong early game into either a 20 minute surrender (solo queue) or a 30 minute victory.

Lulu's AP scaling isn't the best, but she has great base damage on her spells. She also has a damage steriod passive, a heavy slow, a strong shield, a great single target CC and a strong ult that can be used both offensively and defensively. The ability to fire Glitterlance from any nearby minion using Help, Pix! makes her harassment safe and very difficult to dodge at the cost of being more expensive. The only thing her kit is missing to be a typical top laner is an on hit / attack reset Q so she can abuse Sheen procs.

 

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Nah, I'm sure everyone thought I looked foolish, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Keep playing your AP lulu, I'm sure its just as effective as AP soraka and you carry your games real hard.

And by very late end game, I hope you mean 8kg, because that's when Trist will be sliding into the role of full AD carry.

 

The specific part of your post that I thought made sense:

The rest of it was hilarious.

Please don't make me go into this again.

Nah, Lulu is mediocre if you build her full AP. If I solo her, I go top and build tanky with some attack speed - Wriggle's, Wit's End, Warmog's, etc.

 

No please, do go into it. For someone who doesn't want to go into it, you keep bringing it up. Even though you ran out of arguments and decided to try to be vaguely insulting instead.

I'll skip the vague part and say straight up: your arguments for AP soraka are stupid, you are stupid, and you should feel bad about how stupid you are. You lost an argument on the internet. Get over it.

 

AP Soraka is a retarded pick and you should feel bad about trying to defend it. Due to the fact that any semi competent AP carry can shut her down after they hit 4 or if it's still a pain you can just sub in your ad carry. Soraka is a terrible pick in general since she's easily out supported if your team picks just about any support. She also doesn't add anything to a team fight. Soraka can't stun like Taric, initiate like Alistar, ruin bot for others like Blitzcrank, provide infinite cc like Leona, change a game like Janna or anything substantial.

TL;DR stop playing Soraka, she's a sub par support that is easily outdone by others.

 

More dickwaving, I see.

In other news, I won my first ranked! Jungleplank, Topwick, VayneZhao bot and Lux(me) mid vs Jungmumu, Sion, Teemo-Anivia bot and Malzahar. Warwick sat around in bushes while Xin overextended like a tard, then went bot to take Vayne's cs. Bad Malzahar was bad and I pushed the lane forever while Amumu didn't gank bot until 6. Pew-pewed Malz so he went top while I laughed when Sion tried to gank. Game dragged on forever because Xintard fed Teemo and Warwick thought he could solo Amumu with thornmail. After racking up 14 kills the other team decided it would be a good idea to focus me, didn't even have time to activate Zhonya's, took one with me though. Took baron twice and pushed when Vayne was satisfied with farming 480 AD.

Rank placement games are silly.

 

Soraka's been nerfed one too many times. She's still a safe bot support pick for some matchups, but I feel that other supports out do her now. With how much her and Sona have been nerfed, Taric, Alistar, Janna, and even other aggressive supports (i.e. Leona, Nunu) work better now.

 

Sona's nerf was for balancing issues, as I recall. Her songs would be incredibly powerful even if you leveled them equally. Now, they're still just as powerful, but you have to pick one to prioritize. It starts off worse but the scaling is much better on it.

 

Nah, they didn't change the late game scaling on Sona. Level 5 is the SAME as before, and early game is weaker. So in order to get back to how strong her aura use to be, you would have to prioritize an aura to level up first. Anyways, despite the nerfs to Soraka/Sona, they aren't really THAT different from before. If you play passive, they are both exactly the same. I feel as though all the patch did was decrease their ability to zone an enemy (Lower Sona's damage, Soraka can't really afford to use her heal on herself too many times now without depleting her mana). But for a passive game? Their sustain is still better than what most supports can offer).

But anyways, at first I didn't really enjoy that support nerf, but I can safely say I really like it now with the increase versatility bot lane has in champions.

On topic with Lulu, I've been really enjoying playing her. Her Q is good, slows everything it passes through. The E shield is ok, adds extra damage to ad carry or helps secure a kill when people tries to run for bush coverage. But it's her W and Ult that makes her amazing, especially as counter pick against some champions. If enemy has a Warwick, it's almost like a must pick for Lulu. She has two ways to stop that suppressing o,0 If Lulu uses a good ult, I'd say she would be on par with Janna in terms of cc provided, if not more so if they have a team without balance kills, but a single fed player. Laning phase, she has decent poke. If I had to place her between two champs, it'd be behind Lux but better than Sona's (Of course, Sona has a heal to make up for that though). Her range on the E is long enough that you can usually use it on someone as soon as they last hit, and walk away without damage. (Maybe 1 auto attack if they have long range, like Cait or Trist). Nevertheless, I usually run a regrowth pendant and one ward, (maybe faerie charm depending on team comp of course) so sustain isn't a problem. Oh, I forgot to add that usually once you hit your E, you can hit your Q at their champ from a safe distance away.

Anyways, I was wondering if people have started considering using Executioner's Calling and Bilgewater Cutlass more. They both have strong actives, and provide a lot more Life steal (18% and 15%) incomparison to Wriggle's 12% and Bloodthirster's MAX of 20%.

Prices:

Wriggles: 1600
Bilgewater Cutlass: 1825
Bloodthirster: 3000
Executioner's Calling: 1350

Bilgewater Cutlass is expensive though, and I feel as though it's not really worth it unless one plans on building a Hextech Gunblade. But Executioner's calling on the other hand, is cheap, extremely useful active against any champs with healing abilities (Mundo, Soraka, Swain, Sion, Summoner's Heal, any Life Steal/Spell Vamp). There are more, but I feel as though those are the more popular ones. This active I feel is useful from beginning to end game, and replaces the need to build a Bloodthirster (Use the extra 1650 gold to build a quicker IE and PD or something). It can always be sold super end game if it gets to that point.

 

The problem is you waste that slot on a sub2kg item that you will never upgrade and selling it back is just wasted gold. I would never consider it on an AD carry except in the most extreme circumstances because the extra 3/6% lifesteal isn't worth it when you can just pick up a vamp scepter then build IE/PD/LW.

However for a top solo or jungler it could be a viable pick, especially executioner's calling at 18% with the reduced healing active. It's cheap, cheap enough to pick up on a first buy and provides a strong counter to ww/olaf/irelia (as if) on top lane. But wriggles will still nearly always be superior.

Vs physical DPS, the armor value on wriggles will make it outshine the exe's calling by reducing the damage you take. The extra damage on wriggles is also a powerful boost. Bilgewater is in the same boat where the armor will nearly make up for the extra damage/lifesteal you would get. But the most powerful part is still the free ward in combination with all the other useful stats.

 

Exec's a Dominion item, basically. Provides insane immediate life steal and a strong active vs the top-tier sustain duelist champs there, such as WW, Ryze, and Yorick.

Other than that, I don't really take it much on anyone besides twitch, even then it's an iffy buy at best.

I've only ever really rushed bilgewater on Jax because it improves his ganking power by adding a second CC that he can abuse.

 

Hmm, I guess that's true. Although, I still feel that Exec could be used a little more with the life steal nerfs on other items. It would still be situational of course, but I can see it being useful against a bot lane with a ton of heals, and it synergizes a little bit with IE. Selling it later would cause you to lose 400 gold, which isn't THAT much considering the advantage it may give in different situations against sustain champs. Anyways, I actually don't see this item working out in top lane. Having the free ward is always good up there and the armor is usually too useful from wriggles.

But Exec on maybe a Vayne or Kogmaw, I can see it being used well. Either way, plain theories are useless so I think I'll test out this item now while Vayne is still free. I may skip Bloodthirster completely till end game and just go Boots, 2 dorans, IE + Vampiric, Exec if they a lot of heals, PD, and then just whatever else is needed after that (BC, Banshees, etc).


Edit: On a different topic, this is last episode of season 1 for Lalalademacia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUNK...DvjVQa1PpcFNJ1ZuJhBgLYk0LjR0gT_1aqSVb7mZkAzc=

If you stopped watching it at ep 4-6 like I did cause it got boring, go spend a little time and watch it all ^^ Pretty awesome.

 

Germans...

 

That was pretty funny

 

Teams:

Amumu (Me), BD AP Shaco, Kassadin (pure AP squishy), Graves (Squishy solo bot), Blitzcrank (Aura support)

vs

Amumu, Poppy (Hybrid TF), Jax (Gunblade + On-hit), Ezreal (AD TForce), Heimer (Solo bot)

I don't know how this happened, but it was awesome and I loved getting double kills and beating Poppy + Ez 1v2.

 

Didn't want us see an epic lose streak, huh? =P

In other news, two friends and I have been looking for other people so we could do some ranked 5's but have been unable to so we said fuck it and queued pup for ranked twisted treeline. Shit is easy mode.

 

Amumu is surprisingly good in dominion. He was my main for dominion back when I still played it.

 

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