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Discussion in 'League of Legends' started by Jon, Mar 18, 2010.

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  1. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    Just built maw on Tristana. It isn't good but this team we just fought was jax top, viktor mid, AP shaco and AP udyr in bottom lane with a teemo in the jungle. Stupidest shit ever.
     
  2. Evan Tide

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    They need to remove shitty Sanguine Blade from Dominion. Worst newb trap shit I've ever had to deal with.
     
  3. redshell

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    I thought Sanquine Blade was supposed to be something like a place to stop between Prospector's Blade and Bloodthirster. I guess not.
     
  4. Evan Tide

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    Sanguine is TRASH dude. It's not middle tier at all. It is seriously one of the worst items in the game until the carry is FINALLY done with exec's calling, IE, and PD.

    The paltry amount of life steal and damage you get from it no way compares to just rushing IE and getting some vamp scepters. It does not help counter most of the normal bots at all, since you NEED IE to counter them,
     
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    Tried Warwick for the first time today, such a damned boss. With enough attack speed/lifesteal people didn't even die so much as just vaporized when I looked at them funny.
     
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    I know Kassadin is god-tier mid and usually first/2nd ban in ranked, but god damn do I suck with him. Melee mages are weird as shit to me, and I usually only use melee as a tank/support.
     
  8. Duke of Rothwood

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    I just tried playing through as Garen and so far, I really like him. I went top and seemed to do pretty well against most comers, but there always seemed to be a couple of people in each game that I just couldn't get the hang of. That is probably in part due to experience (ie I am a noob) but since I've liked him does anyone have tips/tricks to using Garen?

    Even what build would be the best to go with, I tried a few different options but again, not very experienced with him so any help would be awesome.
     
  9. Churchey

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    Kass feels like a weaker ahri to me. He is too easy to harass as well as gank in the early game and requires a lot of farm or levels to be able to dominate. He can gank side lanes, but Ahri can do it better. His damage late game is kind of pathetic as well, 680+1.9AP, which is something other casters can toss out around level 9.

    He does have 120 damage on auto attack with a .15 ratio on it as well, but if you are relying on your autoattack as a melee mage, you are likely going to die. It just seems like one of those things where an old champion that was relatively balanced (like Nasus) just can't stand up to newer, better iterations of their roles.

    Kass feels like a pathetically weak version of ahri or fizz. Fizz has a 4.8 cd with cdr on his E which is very close to Kassadin's ult CD, and way better if you consider the 8 second delay on stacking with his mana costs and his reliance on the now nerfed blue buff. Fizz also has better ganks with his double dash+his ult which is more or less an ashe arrow since you can throw it from off screen. He can drop tower aggro, has a much better early game for avoiding ganks, and has a total burst of 680+2.3 with one R-->Q-->Autoattack, not including the 8% of missing HP or his E which can be used as a strong nuke as well.

    Then you take into account Ahri who has a hard CC, orianna ranged damage, a form of sustain, and the same mobility of kassadin albeit only for a short while. Her AP ratios are also absurd and she has great AoE damage in teamfights. Her spells are also spammable which makes her chase better if you grab a rylais first.
     
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  10. Evan Tide

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    Everyone needs to learn to fear Nautilus in bot lane duo support. The ability to wipe out 300+ HP while unloading 3s+ CC at level 3 is something to be feared. The fact that that rotation isn't mana intensive either makes it painful to lane against.

    900 range initiation isn't bad either.
     
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  11. Lb13

    Lb13 Second Year

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    Like Churchey said Riot doesn't give two shits about whether or not new champions outclass old champions, and in the rare chance that they actually do something the champion either becomes nerfed to hell or op. At this point I feel you're just better off saving as much IP as you can to use between the new champions and rune pages.

    Anyway I've heard Ryze is getting a nerf can someone confirm or deny this?
     
  12. Hero of Stupidity

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  13. tragicmat1

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    Not everything is about Stats. The thing is, Kass excels against most mages in Mid. At level 6, he can do a full combo on you, or at least a R+Q and walk away before you can retaliate (buying Merc tread helps, or Banshees later on unless Ryze). Now, I'm not saying which one is better (Ahri or Kass) and I'd say they are both really strong as a mid pick. Although, I have no doubt Kassadin is better than AP fizz. (Fizz does counter Kass to an extent, but I'm saying who's better in general against other AP mids as well)
     
  14. Churchey

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    But that's the thing, Kass isn't that great against other AP mids. Any decent mid can have 50cs over him by the time he does hit level 6 because he is so easy to harass. Not to mention he is probably the easiest character to gank. Even at level 6, he can R-Q but for the 7 seconds that's on cooldown he is just as easy to harass as he was before. Anyone who went cata first will have it completed because it's so easy to farm vs him and simply outsustain his harass and continue to farm.

    The other problem is that his harass is reliant on his escape as well, which means he is still absurdly easy to gank if a jungler waits for the blink to charge into lane at him.

    I can say 100% ahri is better to the point of being in an entirely different weight class because she has safe farm, sustain, hard-cc, and 3680+7.68AP damage in an ideal teamfight situation. I know, that's absurd. In a more likely scenario, her damage is 1620+2.7 just from her ult alone if she can use it to skirt around the edges of the fight while staying close enough for the ability to hit. Then there's also the 9/6 second cooldowns of Kassadin vs Ahri's 7/5. And yes, Kassadin can always blink while Ahri only has her ult. That doesn't really matter because Ahri can more or less play like Orianna until the teamfight really gets underway with her 880/975/800 range on her spells.

    Fizz on the other hand is better than Kass hands down as well, although suffers the same problems in teamfights (but not as badly as kassadin). Fizz is harder to escape from than Kassadin. He has a combined gap closer of 1350 in chase scenarios. Fizz is harder to harass than kassadin. With a bit of mana regen you can dodge most of their spells with E, even leveling it first. Fizz is harder to gank than kassadin. No one can actually gank fizz well. Even the unstoppable rammus falters (let rammus hit you before toggling E, he cannot taunt you before you E away). Fizz is harder to live against than kassadin because his early game damage is way better (with better scaling) and he can win trades vs everyone with his trickster dodges (save vlad/viktor because you have .05 seconds to dodge their Qs). You think Kassadin's R-Q-E combo is scary? Fizz can do that from level 3 with a Q-W-E to safety, which makes it easier to farm. They will be much more hesitant to harass you when you can close the distance and ruin their day from the start. And at level 6? Try a fizz shark to the face. You will not survive and he can tower dive you like its nothing and get away afterwards. Fizz facilitates ganks way better than kassadin. Landing a shark is death for nearly every character. Have you seen a farmed gragas hit someone with his ult and deal half their hp? Now realize that Gragas ult and Fizz's ult have identical damage and scaling. Gragas has a 10 sec shorter cd and a 400 wider radius while Fizz has the hard cc on his.

    Fizz also farms better, his W gives him the necessary damage to one-hit ranged minions at tower instead of needing the double tap, and he can use his E to farm minions with very little AP.

    I doubt either Fizz or Kassadin will see any tournament play or anything, but Fizz is for sure the better pubstomper. Also, Fizz can jungle. Do wolves then get a strong leash at your blue and you can hop the wall at dragon/baron and steal their red very quickly with smite. If they don't do the wolves>blue>wraiths>wolves>red path, you can catch them as they run by, with double buff and level 3. Look up a Chu8 game if you really want to see some fizz domination, he plays that character amazingly.

    I think Kassadin used to be great, but with the several nerfs to blue buff, the addition of better mages, and the slight nerfs he has received (notably Q range change), he is just outshined because he only has 2 nukes with little to no AoE damage. You can use your ult as a nuke, but if you build mana to sustain it, you lack AP. If you build AP, you lack the mana. If you want to use it as a nuke, you are in melee range without an escape and if you build either mana or AP, you are kind of fucked like an Ahri being in the center of their team.
     
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  15. Evan Tide

    Evan Tide Chief Warlock DLP Supporter

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    Ya know what type of BS team comp I want to see?

    Top: Leona
    Mid: Karthus
    Bot: Nautilus + Graves
    Jungle: Lee Sin

    Screw everything and initiate all day every day whenever from 900 range.
     
  16. Krogan

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    Anyone here played Blaze? Ive debating saving up to get him since he looks fucking boss.

    Also if anyone could give me any tips about playing Warwick it would be appreciated, he's my absolute bar none favorite hero so far and I think Im doing well with him but any way I can improve is always welcome.
     
  17. Hero of Stupidity

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    Blaze is good, if you can place his spells. He is a fucking boss if you can chain the spells. If you can't he is just a mild harasser.
     
  18. Krogan

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    Hmm I've played enough MMO's that I think should be able to manage that easily enough. That's a positive rec though just to be sure, right?

    Also any Warwick tips? I love playing him and any advice at all about how I can improve my game is very welcome.
     
  19. Hero of Stupidity

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    Blaze is a matter of timing. You build him up to speed and Ap an he will tear apart everyone. Twice.
     
  20. Evan Tide

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    PBE back up for new champ or are you all derping on Brand's name?

    Also, Real Supporting at duo bot as Naut (Or Blitz) vs Everything else:

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