Dude, when I have 250 ping I'm ecstatic. What's your average?

 

I can't stand playing with most of the normal crew often, lol. No offense bros, but some of them take the game like... insane serious. I'm not the best at last hitting, I've gotten better, but still not awesome at it, and I hate being yelled at for something so stupid =P But I love it when we get on Skype and just rape, makes the game for me.

This. I refuse to even play Dominion anymore unless I can drag Krogan on. AFK's, and just people tower diving at goddamned level 3. It's gotten stupid beyond belief. I had a game where I was 20-1-20 something and we still fucking lost due to me not being able to cover every lane, everywhere, while my team decided to literally just stay in the nexus making "a last stand". /rage.

Krogan you problems with Graves are almost all positioning. You're too aggressive in a game where you can't or shouldn't engage, unless you're pretty sure you'll do well. It took me forever to learn that, lol.

 

Around 80-90. My upload is great, around 3-4mbps, but my download is only 327kbps. I can play league fine but watching youtube is beyond me during most of the day.

 

No. That's not what I meant at all. Buckshot is a specific form of shotgun shell in which the pellets don't spread out as much as a regular shell or bird shot (which spreads out like a motherfucker for obvious reasons). The reason why they make the shell that way is for shotgun deer hunting, so you don't ruin the meat. What I was saying is that because the pellets are more tightly packed together, he would feasibly do more damage at a decent range, whereas shotgun pellets start spreading out too much at something like 50 yards, birdshot reaching that level of spread around 20. That's just vague recollections, I haven't been shooting (or hunting) in years.

If it wasn't obvious; birdshot spreads out like a motherfucker because birds are small and hard to hit, so the extra spread makes it easier.

EDIT: On the subject of ping, mine comes in anywhere between 70 and 100 (it only gets this high when I'm sharing bandwidth), usually. My upload and download rate are about the same as Churchey's upload rate. Charter Internet, son.

 

One of my biggest problems I have when playing almost any character and not just Graves is not that I'm necessarily too forward but I make the immediate mistake of trusting my teammates. Ill see three of them rushing forward and in great health and so I'll run in and try to help when all of a sudden all three vanish without a solitary word and the now very upset enemy team rapes me before I can make a break for it. Its so far one of my biggest gripes with this game.

Middy: Lmao total agreement but its Shezza. He's always cool about it and a good gamer, He used to kick the unholy shit out of me at Dawn of War multiplayer.

 

<- Awesome ping. 8-16 depending on the day and time. Usually hovers around 13 since I have like 3-6 comps hooked up to internet at once.

I don't trust anyone in DLP to play Dom with me because of my Dominion Elo.

Yes, there IS an Elo for Dom and you can see it. Mine is in 2.2k+, which means I'm regularly fighting 5-man premades, the Dominion Tournament teams, and people from the same 200~ player pool at that Elo.

It's not that I can't play, but that if I do bring any of you, it's practically a guaranteed loss which is really not fun.

 

Where do you check your elo for non ranked?

 

Used to be a command prompt you could send to the server via a bot to get Elo info. Now, you need LoLNotes to access it.

Program

Lets you check Dom Elo, your team's ranked Elo for solo, 5s, and TT, 10 previous matches with champion and KDA, summoner spells last used and more.

Also lets you see enemy info and names too. Sometimes, like 1/10 chance of crashing game at champ select if you configure it wrong.

 

I was going to save up and buy vlad or kennen with IP. But I've changed my mind after reading Hecarim's kit. He's my next purchase, definitely.

Evan: Where does the image in your sig come from? I tried Tineye and it didn't turn up anything. Is it Ryouran Samurai Girls?

I can just see his full combo now.

Devastating Charge ---> Onslaught of Shadows ---> Spirit of The Dead ----> Rampage.

I'm thinking max Ult > W > E > Q. Though it may end up Ult > E > W > Q

I'm thinking I'll run Ghost/Cleanse or Ghost/Ignite. If I run Ghost/Ignite I'll buy Tenacity Boots instead, but if the other team is CC weak, I'll run Ghost/Cleanse and buy Boots 3. If they've got almost or no cc at all, I'll run Ghost/Ignite and buy boots three. But I doubt that'll be common in the least.

He sounds like a High-CD, High AOE Damage, Hybrid-champ with frightening gap closing and chasing power. I figure I'll start him laning, but move into the jungle after I'm more familiar. As he sounds Garen-like in how terrifying it might be to run into him in a bush. Hecarim is going to make you wish you hadn't facechecked.

I'm gonna start by building Boots + Pots ---> Boots 3 ---> Trinity Force ---> Gunblade ---> Rageblade ----> Rylai's or Mallet (Probably Rylais, he's got lots of AOE for the slow to work on) ---> Defensive Item Dependent on other team. Probably a Banshee's or a FoN.

Then, of course, adjust and see how it goes.

Whaddya all think of that?

Also, why do I get the feeling that he is in some way related to Mordekaiser?

 

Wukong is now my absolute favorite Dominion character, fucking love him :3. Solid damage and survivability with interesting mechanics to exploit and it never fails to crack me the fuck up when the other team starts gloating about how dumb I am for not running while they wail on my fake and Im four miles away.

 

I think it's amusing that they released a champion that actually almost explicitly promotes Boots of Swiftness...

Of course, it depends on two factors. One, the natural diminishing returns on bonus move speed, and just how much the scaling of bonus AD from his passive even is. That is, if it's something like .2 or .3 of bonus move speed, then eh...

 

By the way I meant to ask, does anyone have any Wukong tips they can share with someone whose just getting started with him? Anything I can do to improve my game is always welcome.

 

Rammus with that passive would be an unstoppable juggernaut of death and suffering and rage.

You know, more than he already is.

 

He's retardedly broken as it is in the hands of a talented player, he doesn't need an extra "Fuck You And The Horse You Rode In On" passive added onto everything else.

 

Dunno about you guys, but Rammus passive is op already ^^

 

Except lots of other tanks give him the finger in terms of early ganks, team CC, mana control, and jungle clearing while also actually having a laning version that isn't completely gimped.

He's the best mid-game ganker, one of the highest sustained defense champs, and one of easiest CC champs to use. Besides that, he's not a better tank.

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@Krogan: For Dominoin, it really depends on the enemy. I highly recommend Ionian boots and some other way of capping your CDR so you can spin and Decoy more often. Bets start is pretty much always Boots + Props Blade + Pots.

After that, it depends on the enemy, LW basically lets you ignore pretty much 85% of all their armor once you factor in runes + Masteries + Aura, more for squishy champions.

Ghostblade works wonderfully by adding more crit, Flat Pen vs squishies, and a steroid that has awesome synergy with your E atk spd boost.

Sheen and TForce make your Q hurt like hell while giving the mana, health, and speed you need to engage, juke, and chase.

Infinity Edge works off the crit and attack speed you get from other items and E to make you better than a one-trick champion.

Defensive items depend on the enemy, but if you don't get Ghostblade, I highly suggest Frozenheart to cap your CDR and give an awesome aura. Odyn's for an extra nuke is always nice.


Best tip would be learning how to jungle stop juke. Let the enemy chase you into a bush. Hit S. Hold for 1-2s as they scramble looking for you, then actually hit Decoy and GTFO in another direction.

Another is to watch your early game and capaitalize on building AD fast. Your damage is piss poor before you get rank 2 Ulti, so you need all the AD and CDR you can get to keep spamming Q and E as much as possible until then.

Final tip is to NOT rush TForce or even really Sheen. That minor burst boost is crap for early fights. You need AD for sustain, and it'd boost your over all DPS by the same amount anyways, for a lower price

 

Well in terms of items with Wukong I usually go Mercury's Treads-Health Potionx3 at the start and then Phage - Vampiric Scepter - Sheen - Trinity Force - Brutalizer - Sanguine - Ghostblade. Most of the time I dont even manage to get Yommu though since the games move so fast. Is my lineup decent?

 

This advice is for SR only. As I've said before, I don't care for or take Dominion seriously.

Wukong has strong damage without items. Combo your marks/quints for 6.4 AD/10 Armor pen or w/e the most efficient combo is, run armor seals and mr/lvl glyphs (flat mr works as well). Play aggressive, E>Q>W, get R whenever you can.

Optimum damage output is Q-->E, but unless they are going aggressive on you, E-->Q is what you generally end up doing. If you can straight up win trades (which you can vs many characters), don't waste mana cloning away, just continue to beat the shit out of them. R is actually not a good source of damage output compared to your E attack speed bonus until rank 3 vs single targets, so cancel your ult early if you can use E/Q again. The base damage on his rank 3 ultimate is 800+4.2AD, which means around 1300 damage in an aoe with only your AD quints and base stats at level 18. This means you initiate like a malphite/fiddle combo. You will knock them up and set them up for your team, but they also have to scatter from you afterwards because your base damage is enough to kill their squishies.

You won't run into many APs top, but if you get a vlad or kennen, start boots and come back to lane with two null magic mantles+pots. Get hexdrinker and merc treads early, proceed to win lane. You can get a maw later but it isn't necessary.

VS ADs, start boots3, get wriggles early and either buy early armor or another lifesteal scepter. Don't go dorans if you can help it. Ninja tabi isn't necessary, but look into it if you are getting shit on. Vs strong aggressive tops like Riven or Talon, I normally go wriggles into chain vest into sunfire (because sunfire is the best tank item ever) into an atmas, grabbing a negatron if the rest of their team is AP heavy. Vs sustain tops like WW or Olaf who also deal hybrid/true damage, I grab a second lifesteal scepter. It can become a bloodthirster, or just sold back later, but wukongs Q+E steroids and 27% lifesteal is pretty hard to outsustain. Generally after a wriggles/hexdrinker, I go straight into tank items because tanks are generally the strongest build for the largest part of the game.

Triforce can work on him. It's great on him. It won't win you the lane though, so unless you are consistently winning all your trades from level 1 and continuing at level 6, I don't recommend building it. Main source of your damage in team fights will be your ultimate, and triforce adds about as much as a phage does in terms of damage to your ultimate. For these reasons, going a triforce isn't a good call. The guy with the wriggles/brut will out damage and sustain you, and just in general the triforce is only good for 1v1 situations on WK. I find it better to just grab one or two efficient damage items like brutalizer/wriggles/hexdrinker/phage (but not all 4), then build straight tank.

And Hecarim will be a numbers game. Urgot's kit looked Broken Stupid OP in his reveal and turned out to be a dirty piece of shit. Hecarim looks genuinely interesting but I doubt his passive contributes in any meaningful way to making boots of swiftness better than tabi or treads. Boots 2-->boots 3 is only a 20 ms difference. So you're looking at 390 ms to 410. But I'm sure we will see a triforce in the spotlight. Generic bruiser build, triforce into atmogs with a fon (possibly an early fon) will give him around 430ms. I doubt his passive is anything too crazy though.

 

This is Dominion only. Don't apply it to Churchy's SR advise:

It's actually a sub-par route that doesn't optimize him for anything nor have any focus.

Mtreads start is iffy, at best. While it helps with CC, the fact that you're eating the CC instead of decoying the duration is troubling. Most of the Wukongs I face have gotten good enough to hit Decoy when a stun is coming for them, so they don't need MTreads because they can wait out the duration in relative safety.

It's a fine item, just no exactly the best. The fact that you're rushing it means you have no real damage at top, and Kong's weakest phase is early, where he needs all the damage he can get.


Phage is fine. Gives him bulk to work off his passive, AD, and a chasing CC. The problem comes when you rush the Tforce. See, all that damage you get off the proc? It won't help. While you might be able to hit-and-run in SR for laning, you don't have that luxury in Dom. Once you're in, you're ulting ASAP. You have one, maybe 2 chances to apply the TF proc in a fight.

Kong at lvl 10 has roughly 86 base AD. A TForce proc adds 150% of that, so that's 129 more damage. Standard rotation is WEQR, so you only have, at most, 2 chances to apply TF proc before you're locked out for 4 seconds. TForce also adds 12 AD, so, in total over your entire first strike combo, you'll do an extra 338 extra damage, and that's if you spaced out all skills properly.

This is all at the pretty tune of 2.7k gold.

For that same gold, I could grab a Pickaxe, Brutalizer, and long sword to get 60 AD which would give me 402 extra damage, 15 AR Pen to boost damage even more, 10% CDR so I can skill spam more after ulting, and 60 more over all damage on my basic autos after my ulti is done.

Greater damage benefits for the same costs.

TForce isn't a rush finish. It's actually a terrible rush. Most people settle for Phage + Sheen and then hold them, while getting better damage or tanky items.

Sanguine is also an iffy choice. Kong, in a normal fight, will auto maybe all of twice before he starts spinning. When he does finish ulting, the stacks on Sanguine will actually be gone, so he has to rebuild. If you cancel early enough to auto and keep stacks, you lose out on 200-400 damage to maintain a 20+ AD boost, which is a terrible trade. For sustain, it's actually far better to rush IE and stick with a vamp scepter.

If you really are THAT desperate for combat healing, then Gunblade would actually help more. An extra nuke to finish off fights and spell vamp to leech off your E and R. While spell vamp only functions for 1/3 normal on W and E since they're AOE, the fact that you regularly hit 3+ targets with those skills shouldn't make it that big of a deal.