I'd say Trist Kog and Vayne are better picks for AD. MF is a weaker carry because of her average range and low late game damage. She has a very strong early game so if you want to play her make sure you take an aggressive support. Ashe has no steroids and is one of the weakest carries, but her range is better than average (600 to the 550 of most) and she has some utility with her slows and initiation ultimate. Graves is the strongest of what you listed, but he is very weak in the late game because of his short range (525) with lackluster escapes.

Kogmaw is the strongest carry by far because of his 700+ range, 6% hp on hit, and 30% attackspeed steroid which is very similar to the 80% on trist/graves because it has 100% uptime, but he suffers from his very poor maneuverability. Tristana has a very strong early/mid game, easy farming, and amazing range (713 at level 18.) with a strong attackspeed steroid. Vayne can compete with kogmaw for overall damage because of her 50 free AD, true damage+bonus damage+%based damage from W, and bonus damage on Q. She suffers from comparatively poor range (550), but her teamfighting isn't nearly as crippled by it because of her repositioning ability with her ultimate/Qstealth (on a 2 sec cooldown if you are attacking constantly).

Tristana is your safest carry for pubs because she is very safe with high damage and maneuverability. She has a strong early, mid and late game. Vayne is less safe but does more damage. She is more susceptible to AoE based comps, but much better at avoiding bruisers and single targeters with her constant stealthing/repositioning. Her early game is a bit weaker but her mid game is decent and her late game is beast. Kogmaw is your highest damage but least safe carry. You rely on your team to protect you or their team not focusing you. Positioning can really only take you so far when you aren't communicating with your team and bruisers with gap closers are so strong and common. His early game is pretty weak if your enemy knows not to tank your bio-arcane barrage, his mid game is decent because his ult adds a lot of significant damage, and his late game is amazing if you can survive to deal damage. I recommend picking one of them up just to try it, you'll be amazed at the damage difference in the late game if you are switching from MF/ashe.

Your tops are very strong as is and you should be fine without picking up GP, Irelia, or Kennen. For mid, you should be fine with only Karthus and one other (Ryze is a good pick). Lux is a good mid, but not as strong as a lot of the other casters. Cass is very strong, but way too much effort imo (edit: She is a very strong caster, but I just don't like playing her and wouldn't recommend her to anyone looking to pick up a mage). I would recommend picking up Ahri as well because she is a very strong laner, ganker, and relatively strong late game mage. Between her, Ryze, and Karthus, you should be able to round out whatever team you get on.

I get away with only knowing Taric as support, but my best friend loves playing the support and so I rarely have to. You seem to have a wide enough roster here though.


IPL: Worst casters ever. The ugly fat one just started screaming "What is going on" over and over at the end of the CRS vs Mono game. I don't know, you're the fucking commentator, you tell me and stop yelling in my goddamn ears. Seriously some of the worst casting ever. Earlier when Saintvicious on Shyvana and HotshotGG on Irelia were killing Treeeskimo on Sion, Tree started using teleport in an attempt to escape. Redbaron (the caster) started shouting out "Will hotshot get the stun????" even though Sion was at 20% and dropping and Hotshot was at full HP.:facepalm

edit: I seemed to have skipped over junglers. Personally I think leesin falls off as a jungler, and is much harder to snowball with as you start fighting better opponents. In a lane, he can do very well and get his item build much more quickly and stay relevant for much longer. In the jungle, if his ganks don't go well, he just becomes useless. Fiddle is very hit or miss, and good warding shuts him down more than a lot of other junglers, because his whole song and dance is ulting in over a wall or from a brush where Rammus/Malph/Noct/WW/Mao/Udyr can just run down the lane and cc you. Your jungling line up is very strong with rammus/noct/malph/ww though, and picking up more is probably unnecessary. Malph covers the initiator/tank that fits in with aoe teams, WW/Rammus are both strong single target ccers that can tank for their team, and Noct can play the bruiser carry role very well.

 

You have answered your own question.

 

Just thought I would bring this up...

The stacks reduce the base cd, so with two stacks and max cdr, the cd is 1.2 seconds, not 0.4 seconds... Just saying. That said, the cdr for his other abilities definitely wouldn't hurt anyway.

 

It'll probably be a good idea to learn Lee Sin, as he's a strong jungler and top laner. What you have is pretty good already, though I suggest you play ALL the champions at least once (when they are free), since even if you don't want to get good with it, you would be much better off facing that champion (knowing ranges, etc).

Bot AD, I always find that you should be changing it or matching it with your support. E.G, Nunu with Vayne/Kog, Alistar with Vayne (well, Alistar works with anyone ), Taric with Cait, etc. So it's a good idea to learn all of them IMO (the general play style isn't so different that it's hard to do so. Oh, and just realized, Caitlyn should be on that list. Probably one of the strongest AD carries imo during laning phase and doesn't really scale off.

As for Support, don't bother "learning" Soraka. There's nothing to learn. She's a subpar champion that's easy to use. Strong in laning phase, and that's it. Sona is ~ok, but her poke isn't like it use to be. Still better than Soraka though. If you want to learn a new support, go for Lulu ^^

 

If you're looking to get better at the game itself rather than just win more, you might be better off picking champions who all have very different play styles and skill sets rather than just champions who all happen to be strong right now. Learning different styles of play will help you to pick up even more different champions in the future.

Look at it this way - if all you know how to play top lane is tanky bruisers with tons of sustain, you're going to suck when you try and play a more fragile carry or assassin like Fiora or Talon. If the only supports you know are Sona and Soraka, you're going to struggle if the team needs an aggressive, tanky support like Alistar or Leona.

Honestly though, no matter what anyone says, unless you're amongst the absolute top percentage of players in the world, the champions you should pick up are the ones you enjoy playing the most. You'll do much better and be more motivated to improve if the champion you're playing is fun.

 

TSM just CRUSHED Dignitas.

 

I think they were overzealous with their bans, taking Kog, Soraka, AND Lulu out of play. I think their heavy aoe team would have crushed it on its own and the triple ban was a bit unnecessary. Looked like Dignitas played very poorly imo. Regi/Dyrus/Oddone made big plays with stacking ults to pick off Voyboy and shut him down and while dignitas played well individually, their teamplay was lacking.

 

Fair enough.

 

Riotjules is putting together a list of IPL4 Bans/picks:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...09SbUlMQkQxc211SGRRY1FCWUE&toomany=true#gid=0

Udyr is most banned/most hated, but actually only has a 25% win ratio.

And TSM with very poor play is throwing the game. Dignitas is turning the tides by shutting down Dyrus top. Dyrus dies several times early, but his worst play was getting caught again just as Baron came up, forcing a 4v5 for baron. Then QTpie urgot swapped Regi and Regi flashed into the baron pit, which was retarded, his aoe hit baron and Baron focused him as the closest target. Terrible, terrible play.

 

This.

TSM played entirely terrible. Ab.So.Lutely. Terrible.

 

I didn't see the first match of TSM v. CLG, but I did see the second, and it was a pretty large failure on the side of TSM.

TSM chose Urgot early on in draft, which I thought was insane. Urgot is a burst counter-carry, and he needs to be a late, counter pick, unless you're doing something troll, like M5. As they chose him early, HE was the one who got counter picked: Ahri, Shyvana, Corki, Nidalee, and the lovely troll Soraka to make any burst Urgot could do to these high mobility champs useless.

On TSM's side they had Lee Sin, Mundo, Ryze, Urgot, and Taric. Against ^ that. The fuck, TSM?

What really got me was that Ryze was last pick, as a counter to Ahri... Ryze is a lock-down, combo champ who relies on being able to land multiple moves consecutively in order to proc his passive. Against an Ahri, that doesn't happen.

Other than that, it was just a matter of mobility and the ability to push towers. As they were able to push towers so well and gank like bosses, they didn't even let TSM get to mid-game, where they would have had a bit more power. I'm really rooting for TSM, so I'm /facepalming hard.

 

TSM are playing like dicks. They threw the first game with a series of solo queue level mistakes and the second by not reacting to CLG.

Im rooting for CLG, so its good they won...but its disappointing to have the grand final nor be as exciting as the semis and quarters.

 

And yet, TSM just destroyed CLG. They outplayed them in nearly every fashion. They were more aggressive, they were more cunning, they were bolder, their strategy was better.

Bascially, CLG said 'Come at me Bro" with their team comp.

And TSM said 'OKAY!'..

And then followed through!

They burst down Cho'Gath down three times in a row, first, and then followed through to eat at least two more of CLG's team.

It was destruction, plain and simple. The score at the end wasn't anywhere near even.

Edit: Also...

500 POSTS.

This is worthy of my 500th post.

 

^ that.

TSM took what looked to be a crushing defeat after the loss in the first series and turned it into a crushing victory in the last. While I would have liked 6 even games (ending in TSM's victory ), the four one-sided games were also a lot of fun to watch. It really does go to show two things: games can be completely decided in champ select and a couple good/bad plays does about all the rest of the work in deciding which way a game goes.

 

In other news, Wukong cannot stealth away from Lane Sin

Played a few premade with my buddy, first game went well because the enemy jungle yi was utter shit. Second, our veigar vs Xerath, and jungle tristana op.
Then lvl 2 gank from Shyvana with Lane Sin kicking my ass all around. ffffffff

 

Anyone else have this problem:

The players who are the best at the game always seem to want to troll? Of my friends who play LoL (most of whom are from WoW), I have about 10 who are crappy and maybe 4 who are quite good (this is normals). When the five of us get together to play, we mostly dominate. It's a lot of fun.

Yet, whenever two specifically play outside of a 5's, they troll (and sadly these are the best two, perhaps even including myself). Now, these are also the two that complain constantly about how other people are bads and they have to carry solo queue or they lose.

So, we go into champ select; someone picks Kat mid and the other picks Shyvana top. I'm like "Cool, so two of us can lane together bot, and the other can go in the jungle. We have a Shyvana and Kat, so maybe a melee jungle is a bit meh, unless it's something real front-line and tanky. Still if we... yadayada."

Instead, and this is normal for them (the game before they went Garen/Blizt bot), one went Vlad and the other went Eve...

Is there anyone else here who has this problem with the best players? It is an ego thing (I can carry on anyone, in any lane!)? Does anyone think like they do: meta is boring, might as well troll?

 

I play a lot of games with two of my close friends and we have that issue sometimes where we just get beyond caring. However, it's rarely our intention to lose when 'trolling'. After a night of games where we just get feeders, griefers, afkers, or assholes in a series of very unsatisfying defeats, and we get a game where we have two instalocks for solo lanes, guaranteeing that two of the largest influences on the game are beyond our control, we just kind of say fuck it.

At that point we 'troll' and pick non-standard bottom lane champs like tryndamere heimer, sona leona, heimer fizz, poppy pantheon, and the ever amazing jungle heimerdinger, but we still do our best to win. We normally win these games though, for some odd reason or another. I don't think it's a skill level thing so much as a "I have played so many games being stuck with the support or ad carry and I don't want to play that again just to appease assholes who autolock" kind of thing. Yesterday I had a Jarvan top (autolock) who I gave firstblood with a level 2 gank. After some poor coordination, we had a 1 for 2 trade that tied the score at 2-2. Jarvan stayed at tower with <100 hp against a full hp lee sin because "we were bad," then he said he didnt care, game was over, might as well feed, might as well afk, then went afk, came back and said he just went to get food but he brought his keyboard with him so it wasnt afk....

Yea, after games like that, you just stop caring about playing roles you don't want to for autolocking assholes. Since 'best players' tend to have lots of games, they have dealt with this more. If they "troll" with the intention of losing though... I dunno.

Today I played lulu top, fiddle jungle, ahri mid, and ziggs/corki bot. Our corki got a sword of the occult, so we all grabbed mejais. Our fiddlesticks was buttfucking useless or we might have won. They ran a very standard shen/riven/malz/soraka/graves comp and we still were coming back. Only our nexus was alive and we aced them, all of us getting to around 8-12 stacks at this point with corki at 19, so we pushed out and took their inhib while our ziggs defended from the double super minions coming down every lane. The game only ended because their riven had teleport and TPd into a creep with shen ulting her and they zerged down the nexus before we could get back and kill them. The game ended with us at a kill advantage, 50 minutes in running quadra AP with no tank, with shen getting the last hit on the nexus with only 10% of his hp left.

 

Troll games are best games. The most fun I've had with LoL in months was where an MF instalocked after our team had already picked Garen, Ahri, Sona, and Sivir(me). An early invade gave us a 3 for 1 exchange, then me and Garen roflstomped a very confused Wukong top and had the tower down by minute 5. Ate their jungle, obliterated mid, got a surrender at 20.

It's those games where you tell the meta to go fuck off and you win anyway...

 

First, AD Janna.

Then, a Twitch that wants to mid.

Then, AP Wukong.

Then, Feeder Rumble.

Why is it that every time I pick up a new champ, I get seventy fucking trolls in a row?

 

True fucking story.

Last week I queued up with two friends who called bot lane with Caitlyn and Taric. One of our two randoms picks Tristana, calls mid and says she's building AD. The other instalocks Corki and calls top. Troll Game is declared over Skype, Caitlyn locks in, Taric switches to Miss Fortune and locks in and I lock in Ezreal with Smite. Unfortunately, the random Tristana switches to Ziggs at the last possible moment, denying us the full AD carry team.

I ended up going 9/4/8 in a 44 minute game which we totally could've won if Corki hadn't declared me a troll, sold all his items for wards after 15 minutes and ended the game 0/10/6.