^ Literally any 2 CCs when he ultis if you want to kill him. Just 1 if you want to nullify him in a fight.

 

Nah, it's pretty hard to kill Heimerdinger's turrets actually at early levels, even with long range. Usually will take a good 2-3 spells, and that's far more mana than one turret by heim. And the pokes have to be constant or they will just heal up from heimer's passive. Getting close is actually the hardest part since you'll just eat rockets. But yeah, the only champion I've ever had a little bit of trouble with the first 6 levels is Vladmir, and even then not really.

 

Jarvan is hilarious with hp/5 regen quints and masteries up top. Tanky AD rages so hardcore.

 

Riven doesn't give a fuck and continues to smash your face in.

 

Perhaps it's more mana, but at that point it's also taking Heimerdinger well over 20 seconds to generate even a single turret, at which point he's relegated to only having his grenade and rockets to defend himself/farm-if-pushed. Something which is much less mana efficient for him to do.
I can admit that Heimerdinger is somewhat annoying to 1v1 lane against early on, but if you can burn his turrets, then he is generally not that hard to get a gank on.

 

^So true. This is generally the first thing I do when I start any new game. I am not a great player by any means yet, but I can at least hold my own.

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What a game. 72 minutes of pain.

With a win as AD Veigar!

I was playing Veigar mid against Annie. I messed up a couple times early and gave up a couple kills, but managed to come back by running down and getting a couple kills of my own against the other team's Lulu/Gangplank top.

The other team pushed us pretty hard, all the way back to our base turrets before I could get sufficiently farmed and itemized to turn the tide.

We pushed back after an ace and took down mid all the way to the inhib. Our Shen had to leave at about 40 minutes in to go to work, leaving us 4v5. The game dragged on and on, back and forth until they had pushed down our inhibs on two sides and we had killed their base turrets.

At this point, we all just wanted the game to be over. I could not get a single one of our team to just go and backdoor their base. So after tenish minutes of raging at my screen and trying to convince these morons that they should go kill the other team's Nexus, I said 'screw it, I'll do it myself.'

I sold my entire AP build, bought Boots of Mobility and an AD item build and rushed their Nexus myself.

Godamned PUGs. AD Veigar FTW apparently.

 

So I decided to have some fun with Katarina in a normal.

Yeah, that didn't happen because the enemy team ended up being Leona, Xin Zhao, Ahri, Ashe and Twitch.

Try and ult Ahri in lane? Charmed. Instantly. Try and gank Leona? Shield in the face. Go bot? Giant Fucking Arrow. Every single team fight is a ridiculous CC chain whenever I show my face, no matter how long I wait to jump in. I don't think I ever got more than a second of my ult off.

 

Apologies to those I bailed on last night; a thunderstorm knocked out my internet. I had assumed it was safe to play because I thought it had passed by, but then there was thunder nearly directly overhead that was so loud it set off about a dozen car alarms outside and the power flickered and I assume the power surge fucked the building's router. It still hasn't come back on though I'm on someone's iffy wifi connection.

As for heimerdinger, if you assume no jungle you just wait to flash combo him without attempting to trade too much because his passive negates a lot of harass. As lux, this is difficult because a lot of your damage is based on getting some harass off before landing a qeult combo for the kill. Just get a substantial amount of mana regen so that you can rely on your E (and Q even) for last hitting. Try to use your E to last hit multiple mobs as well as harass either his turrets or heimer himself in one shot. Remember that if he is leveling turrets, his other damage is minimal. If he isn't leveling turrets, their damage is minimal. If he places the turrets past midway, they will tank the creepwave and often die to it, so at best he can put them at the halfway point (most of the time) and you should be safe to go in for last hits. Instead of staying near the creepwave and waiting to last hit, stay way back and only walk forward to last hit, then run away again.

Really though, assuming no jungle is very cynical because even the shittiest jungle can gank heimerdinger. He has no escapes, no cc besides his ult and a deadcenter grenade which is easier to dodge than it is to escape. Two ganks puts you ahead and then you are golden (first for the flash, second for the kill). You don't need to land your snare either, getting the slowball in between him and his tower and not detonating it is enough to net the kill.

Tryndamere is pretty easy to shut down. Nasus does excellent against him with a few early armor items and smart use of whither in the late game (and also before you get your armor items). Champions with high base armor like Poppy/Jarvan can do fine against him if they get some sustain and play passively until they can get ganks. Though the best counter is malphite. Q stops his chasing, his ult is a hard cc to counter trynds ult, his W makes him invincible to trynd in lane, and his E is 50% reduced damage with 95% uptime vs all physical damage characters who rely on autoattacks. If you hold out long enough to get ninja tabi in lane, you should never die to him as malphite. And malphite should beat tryndamere that early on in a straight fight.

If you blind pick a champion into tryndamere and are having difficulty, build armor. I fought a tryndamere (as wukong) who got an early cs lead vs me because his jungler was camping top, so I went back and bought ninja tabi+ a chain vest as my first buy. Doing this will pretty much always mean you win the lane. Buying early mr/armor vs a lane is the best way to win it. There is a reason they are nerfing flat mr glyphs. When I have to riven vs vlad/kennen, my first buy is often double null magic mantle (which turns into hexdrinker/merc treads later) and potions. Lots of potions. Potions win lanes, so abuse them. Armor and magic resistance have better returns than AD and AP by far until the late game. Vs tryndamere, grabbing an early chain vest will win the lane for you.

Or you could play Leesin, because he is virtually unkillable after he maxes safeguard.

 

Is there any reason nobody plays Malazar? In my experience the only other ap mid that can destroy me without problems is Veigar because I focus AP over everything. My E is great to farm and harass especially with these nice voidlings(I can nearly half the life of some champs like Ahri with it) and there is nothing that can survive my combo.

But I am not that experienced and don´t play ranked so I wanted to know what the pros think about him.

 

QSS means malzahar can go screw himself

 

His silence is pretty slow and easy to dodge, and his spells don't have much reach, so any long ranged nuker like Lux, Gragas, Morgana, Xerath, or even Brand and Ahri can poke him down to nothing.

I haven't played Veigar in a long time, I only unlocked him because I loved the Q, but he's squishy as all hell and slow without boots. On top of that he has a weak auto attack, something like 57 damage lvl 1, so it's hard to farm unless you're good with timing. If you avoid his stun, or just stay in the perimeter, and his Dark matter you can probably get a good trade as Malz.

 

So, despite losing essentially every lane(Mordekaiser at mid held off their Kassadin, until some ganks started happening), we somehow won the following match:


Lanes were:
Yorick + Heimerdinger vs. Sivir + Blitzcrank
Mordekaiser vs. Kassadin
Nasus + Sivir vs. Jarvan IV + Corki

So... while I was busy at bot, apparently Blitz kept getting unlikely grabs on the top laners under the tower, and before long both Blitz and Sivir were level 7/8, when Yorick/Heimer were still 3/4.

Bot mostly went well enough, although I ended up swapping with Yorick at around 10-12 minutes in, and later also ended up losing it when their entire team came at it from all sides =/. We also lost all of our first towers shortly after.

Either way, apparently we had 8 kills by the time they reached 50. Their average level was around 15 or 16, and ours was maybe... 12... when their Kassadin left(he never actually d/c'd). Presumably, he just thought the game was a foregone conclusion, but I had just solo'd the Sivir four levels(and significantly more fed) above me, and nearly killed Kassadin when he came trying to finish me.

After that, we just semi-carefully kept winning fights and pushing them back. Their Jarvan actually expressed some shock and said "We're going to lose, WTF?" when we took down their towers and mid and bot inhibs, before Kassadin finally came back and repelled us. By that point though, Yorick, Mordekaiser and I had caught up to level 18, and we could really put up a fight.

...Heimerdinger and Sivir both kind of died with a hard glare still...

All said, we managed a rather surprising upset, and won a completely lopsided game... and it was glorious. Oh, and we still had our second top turret, and all base turrets by the end. Comments on the fact that we were losing so badly early are mostly irrelevant.:facepalm

 

I'm terrible and I utterly shit on every solitary Malazar I've fought with nearly no effort no matter what character. Maybe someone with real skill could make him threatening but without it if I see Malazar floating around its basically just a free kill point.

 

Fucking truth. God damn bastard just regens everything with 2-3 autos. Only champs I've ever seen be able to trade well with him are Udyr and Riven.

 

Just goes to really emphasise the point of the game- to destroy the enemy nexus. Enemy kills are just side-quests.

 

Those teleports! Backdoor all day.

 

Honestly, that was part of the original plan... but it didn't quite work out that way, somewhat.
The teleports did help a ton to make up for being majorly underleveled for much of the early game though. That, and hastening the final few pushes.

 

The worst feeling is to know that you've just aced a team that essentially had your nexus, yet you can't do anything to change the game because there's no way you can get to their towers/inhibitors and push them without leaving your own well-pushed base for far too long.

Teleport changes that dynamic considerably, and I would bet that you won because of a number of towers that got pushed down due to teleport.

Pushing towers wins games in normal.

 

It's not just normals, pushing towers wins every game (except Dominion). All the other stuff is just there to make pushing towers faster and easier.

 

Had an interesting surprise when I queued up with 2 friends of mine in Normal Draft mode. Didn't exactly expect to face off vs RiotGuinsoo!





The Vlad and the Ahri were with me. Sadly, the game was a little one-sided.